can someone please tell me when sin becomes willfull sin?

[ToBeBlessed]

TPOG ,

If one lives in the mind set of unforgivable sin then faith of grace is moot in Jesus correct? One lives in continuous condemnation in the mind. I see this type of vessel at church all the time. How is innocents lost? You have seen the post of the illiterate saved believer that functions on love not knowledge of sin for they can not read. Knowledge to apply to self is law or another term is physicality alone with no concept of love. Like reading comprehension. Lets use a mathematics text read in knowledge without love as the example. We apply knowledge gained from text with no love of the text to produce a physical outcome desired in correctness.
If one approaches the Word under , reading comprehension alone, law applies to these individuals for they look for righteousness in "what it looks like" just like the mathematical text so desired result of the flesh can be correct. A lot of these individuals apply what is read to self and a "look" of righteousness now manifests too others around them, while in the mind of the one under the mask of law/fear (or knowledge gained to application), they are Spiritually dead. One here described judgment applied to another as the end result of a law follower = Pride in self in "I don't do this, it is evil, so you should not do it either, it is bad". This is looking for sin to justify self. No perfecting & understanding in love. These individuals live in the false understanding of Fear because Fear was comprehended in the physical, like the mathematics text. Looking for the loopholes to avoid punishment and apply knowledge of sin to self and others. 1 john 4:18 ignored.

Innocents is a major manifestation of the Baptism/Justification/Holy Spirit when the Spirit is opened to the vessel who believes upon Jesus sent by the Father. One feels (manifests) like the child again reborn to hopeth all things. John 13 :4-18 made manifest in washing the heart/mind of sin, however the parable has no meaning to transfer in concept/love/spirit if physical comprehension is all the reader is getting out of scripture which manifests in law/fear. Mystery is the end result. The baptism visited upon the vessel is Jesus in an aspect of the Trinity. Holy Spirit, for we claimed love as the savior which is God/Jesus/Holy Spirit. NT is the guide (mathematical text) and love of the NT that it is God/Truth applied to the NT is pre requisite that we the undeserved chosen of the Baptism (life experience of the living God) to visit or revisit the NT and love it for it is Gods Words then 1Corinthians 13:6 is manifested in the believer of Charity/love/God/truth/NT/Jesus/Holy Spirit are all the same in concept and applied to knowledge, deeds, manifestation, self, others, faith that God judges sin, not us.

So, in love which is God/Jesus/Holy Spirit how can I condemn/judge self and especially another if self is known in the Baptism of Grace where innocents was once again acquired ? God/Jesus/Holy Spirit gives grace to the sinner to overcome sin. Faith by this vessel must be applied to trust in God that He will put a sinner/unbeliever or a believer temporarily lost in deception in this ones path and ask why does joy radiate in the hope inside? Darkness seeking the light of the fruits of the Spirit. .......... the creator of Galatians 5:22 - 23.

For this one, some research had to be done in why do I not forgive self ? In retrospect the answer is easy but for the sufferer it alludes in straddling the fence of law and concept of accepting love from our God which = poor in Spirit/Faith/Trust that Abba forgets sin and I on my own does not. So a true love of self like God sees me is quenching the Spirit/hope/Joy/faith/trust inside. Further study is the vessel/humanity. This is reiteration of posts of past...Love vs anything else or negativity stated by TPOG a human can only grasp one and in pride we ignore it in snatching the Godhead away. Love or Deception. In love comes reciprocation.

In hopes this edifies in love/God vs willful sin.

How true.

And when the mind of a believer is focused on their condemnation, Satan has a fertile battle ground to attack.

It is for this reason (as well as others) that I believe that Jesus is always faithful and just to forgive us. I believe that Jesus knows just how easy it is for Satan and even ourselves to attack our minds. This is a fertile ground as so many people have negative self talk and self esteem issues already, we are so open to this.

Jesus gave us the perfect way out of this prison of the mind. Not to let it destroy us, but to let us rule the mind, so our hearts can be optimal. For us to be able to STAND FIRM on the promises of God. Not to teeter totter back and forth like the wind, blowing each and every direction wildly.

One of the things that I am growing so much in is the area of God's promises to us. My pastor always talked about this, and I got it, but I didn't 'get it' like STAND. Stand firm. This is your rock.

What a beautiful and freeing thing that we can stand on our Rock, in His perfection in joy! Amen! Boy that is a freeing thought, my soul is jumping up and down in praise just writing this down right now.

The Holy Spirit has me on turbo speed in my learning lately. How wonderful, it's such a wonderous thing. Like an 'aha' moment where things that were not 100% clear all of a sudden are crystal clear.

 

[looking4joy]

For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:26-31

The legalists say that sinning willfully is doing what you know is wrong, that's a "willful" sin. I disagree. I think all sin is done knowing it's wrong. We all rebel, and inherent in rebellion is knowing it's wrong in the first place!!

All of that sin can be forgiven. The Holy Spirit convicts us that we did what we knew was wrong, and we can be forgiven.

This passage says if we go on sinning, by our willful choice, without counting the worthiness of the blood of Christ to cleanse us from sin - if we make a willful choice to ignore grace and go on living (sinfully of course) without taking advantage of the forgiveness Jesus offered through HIS sacrifice, then there is no other sacrifice under heaven for our sins. Period.

But to say that this passage is talking about sinning when you know it's wrong to sin in a certain way... that's not true. If you've never blown it, in rebellion against God, even as a Christian, you wouldn't know that His offer of grace is always out there, offered to you and me, and at that point we need to make the willful choice of saying, "I've blown it, did what I knew was wrong, did it deliberately and knowingly. Father, I ask for forgiveness!"

 

[dragongunner]

dragongunner Different types of sin.

Transgression refers to presumptuous sin. It means “to choose to intentionally disobey; willful trespassing.” Samson intentionally broke his Nazirite vow by touching a dead lion (Numbers 6:1–5; Judges 14:8–9) and allowing his hair to be cut (Judges 16:17); in doing so he was committing a transgression. David was referring to this kind of sin when he wrote, “Blessed is the one whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered” (Psalm 32:1). When we knowingly run a stop sign, tell a lie, or blatantly disregard an authority, we are transgressing.

Iniquity is more deeply rooted. Iniquity means “premeditated choice, continuing without repentance.” David’s sin with Bathsheba that led to the killing of her husband, Uriah, was iniquity (2 Samuel 11:3–4; 2 Samuel 12:9). Micah 2:1 says, “Woe to those who plan iniquity, to those who plot evil on their beds! At morning’s light they carry it out because it is in their power to do it.” In David’s psalm of repentance, he cries out to God, saying, “Wash away all my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin” (Psalm 51:2).


Presumptuous sin is also intentional willful. It is doing something boldly, brazenly, audaciously, arrogantly, rebelliously, defiantly. I believe it is written the because of Presumptous sin the children of Israel could not enter into the promised Land.
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Response to the post above the line.

I don't believe that there are 'different types of sin' in how you worded it. Sin is not spoken about like that. The verbage used is 'to sin willfully'.
The word willfully clarifies the motivation of the sin, not that there is any word with any meaning like to 'willfully sin'.

The Word does not speak like that. That is not how the Lord shows us sin. The two are not a compound word that are related and belong together. No. No. No.

Sin, is sin.

It is not that sin changes, but that OUR motivation and why we 'sin' changes.

The argument that is very popular lately is that there are all these different types of sin.

Like 'willful' sin, 'unrepentant 'sin' and so on.....

Like they are all the different flavors of sin.

THis is NOT SO at all. Sin is black and white.

It is EITHER a sin or it is NOT a sin. Black or white. One or the other. There are no classifications for sin in the way that God views sin. God is holy. Holy is NO sin. We are NOT holy. We sin. Cut and dry. Period.

Now, our MOTIVATIONS when we sin are what the issue is. Not the word sin. Putting the two words together has mislead a bunch of people who do not know better or who do know better, but choose to for convenience sake.

So, unrepentant is what we are when we sin. Unrepentant sin is not a compound word. Willful sin is not either.

The whole idea is so flawed that it is crystal clear.

People need to accept that when they sin. They have sinned.

THen they need to as Step 2, examine their motivation before the Lord.

Let's get real in this conversation and separate the two. Then we are speaking how the Lord speaks to us in His Word. Misrepresenting it as not being a sin if it is non-willful sin is not accurate.

A sin is a sin, is a sin, is a sin.

Sorry but don't agree. The word talks about transgression, iniquity….according to you the word should just say sin….and should not talk about transgression…….but it doesn't….go look up how many times these different types are talked about and how many times they appear in the word.

 

[FanthatSpark]

How true.

And when the mind of a believer is focused on their condemnation, Satan has a fertile battle ground to attack.

It is for this reason (as well as others) that I believe that Jesus is always faithful and just to forgive us. I believe that Jesus knows just how easy it is for Satan and even ourselves to attack our minds. This is a fertile ground as so many people have negative self talk and self esteem issues already, we are so open to this.

Jesus gave us the perfect way out of this prison of the mind. Not to let it destroy us, but to let us rule the mind, so our hearts can be optimal. For us to be able to STAND FIRM on the promises of God. Not to teeter totter back and forth like the wind, blowing each and every direction wildly.

One of the things that I am growing so much in is the area of God's promises to us. My pastor always talked about this, and I got it, but I didn't 'get it' like STAND. Stand firm. This is your rock.

What a beautiful and freeing thing that we can stand on our Rock, in His perfection in joy! Amen! Boy that is a freeing thought, my soul is jumping up and down in praise just writing this down right now.

The Holy Spirit has me on turbo speed in my learning lately. How wonderful, it's such a wonderous thing. Like an 'aha' moment where things that were not 100% clear all of a sudden are crystal clear.

Amen ,