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So this guy has questions on Youtube about the Trinity and Jesus and I would like someone to review what I wrote as a reply for theological errors before I send it off. I'm thinking about giving him the CARM website link in case he as a lot more questions.

I'm raichuubaybee to clear that up.

The first picture is what I already wrote, the second is what I typed as a reply and didn't send off yet.

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Just in case you're wondering, I put this here because I want people who share the same theological views as me to instruct me. Not a whole bunch of different stuff from a whole bunch a different people coming from a whole bunch of different faiths. ;D Thanks!
 

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So this guy has questions on Youtube about the Trinity and Jesus and I would like someone to review what I wrote as a reply for theological errors before I send it off. I'm thinking about giving him the CARM website link in case he as a lot more questions.

I'm raichuubaybee to clear that up.

The first picture is what I already wrote, the second is what I typed as a reply and didn't send off yet.

forcf_zpse23f8a70.png


forcf1_zps611eb995.png


Just in case you're wondering, I put this here because I want people who share the same theological views as me to instruct me. Not a whole bunch of different stuff from a whole bunch a different people coming from a whole bunch of different faiths. ;D Thanks!
I see nothing wrong in anything you have written here. We must be careful when speaking of the Godhood and Manhood of Jesus. He was as fully man as if He were not God and as fully God as if He were not man. As a man He learned obedience and grew in but as God all the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in His body. As a man He was obedient unto death even the death of the cross. It was necesarry that He beome a amn because it was man who sinned and it must be man who is punished. But only God could satisfy the wrath of God against the sin of His elect. He then is the perfect Mediator between God and man. As a man He suffered and died for sin and as God He brought in an everlasting righteousness, put an end to sin and brought life and immortality to light. He accomplished what only the God-Man could.
Hope that helps a little.
 
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I want people who share the same theological views as me to instruct me.

"does this mean a part of God died?" [SHQIPTARSOULJA]
I'm not sure how to answer this :S He died like a human but He was brought back to life. Some say He went to Hell to evangelize but I'm not quite sure.

My initial reaction is that SHQIPTARSOULJA seems more interested in expressing his personal opinions against what he has heard of Christian expressions about the nature of the Trinity than he is curious to receive clarification as to what those views are.

So SHQIPTARSOULJA's interest in any clarification or explanation you offer is probably intended to be mined for further "evidence" against the Trinity or against Jesus rather than as an increased basis for fair judgment. Beware of casting your pearls before swine, as Jesus said.

The above does not necessarily mean you should not offer explanation or clarification. For one thing, your remarks may reduce the number of objections s/he has. Maybe. Or the clarification may have some effect SHQIPTARSOULJA did not intend.

But I also think one of the items you may do well to point out to SHQIPTARSOULJA, Raiyuu, is that his or her personal opinion about what God "must be like" (or not like) is not necessarily of greater authority and reasonableness than Christian tradition or the Bible as they all relate to the doctrines of the Trinity and of Jesus.

The above being said (or rather written), the only doctrinally questionable part of your proffered comments in my understanding (and in the version I have seen) is your admittedly tentative response to SHQIPTARSOULJA's question, " ... Does this mean a part of God died?" (See quote above.)

And I'm not sure I myself can offer a definitive rejoinder to your remarks.

But my understanding of your "some say He went to Hell" is that in church liturgy it probably derives especially from a clause that is a late (and hence probably not original) addition to the (authoritative, but extra-canonical) Apostle's Creed: "He [Jesus] descended into hell [Greek "Hades]" (in addition to "the grave," also in the Apostle's Creed--which you may Google).

Complicating matters is that this clause may comprise a summary of interpretations of various canonical texts, including the obscure and debated 1 Peter 3:19 (in context), with some interpretations possibly contrasting with Hebrews 9:11-12 which imply Jesus went to the heavenly tabernacle with His own blood (when?).

In summary, why risk bringing all that up with SHQIPTARSOULJA? It engages in the obscure and is unnecessary for the topic. And SHQIPTARSOULJA has already admitted that Jesus died.

Otherwise your response here is germane and theologically safe in my judgment, namely in your sentence: "He died like a human but He was brought back to life"--save that I would prefer substituting the word "as" for "like" lest it be taken to imply Jesus was only "like" a human rather than a human. Jesus died as a human.

But the debate here is not that Jesus as a human died. SHQIPTARSOULJA apparently is more interested in whether, as s/he puts it, "a part of God died" (or as we might prefer, the question whether "God the Son died") but that requires careful definition (e.g., "died" means what?), and in some views at least, is debatable or theologically wrong headed.

More to the point, your "safe" sentence above (as I label it, maybe substituting "as" for "like") probably will suffice for SHQIPTARSOULJA even if s/he is not satisfied by it or probably by much else that you might offer by way of response.

Or you may want to revamp your response per the above as a contest of personal opinion versus revelation. Or you may want to ask if the miracles were real or accent human sin and the justice of God.

If, at the end of the day, SHQIPTARSOULJA responds positively to the gospel message that you and perhaps others proffer, it will be because the Holy Spirit has so worked. You are just a witness to the truth.
 
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"which of the 3 Gods has most Authority?" [SHQIPTARSOULJA]

Is this question asking, "which God is higher?" Then the answer would be they're all the same. As for authority wise, Jesus has the authority now but while He was on Earth God the Father has it (Matthew 28:19) <--that's after Jesus has risen and He is commanding His disciples to go spread the gospel

1) SHQIPTARSOULJA probably knows Christians as monotheists confess one God, but in three Persons as opposed to "3 Gods." S/He is probably trying to be provocative.

But if you are going to respond, this must be clarified. As it is, what you mean by "higher" and "the same" may not be clear to all readers. Your response could open the possibility (whether intended or not) that you believe the "3 Gods" each have the same height (in ontology or possibly authority?)--conflicting with the Christian doctrine of monotheism and/or the eternal hierarchy within the Trinity.

2) The "all authority" the Father gave to the Son as Jesus said in the resurrection appearance from which we get the "Great Commission" of Matthew 28 does not imply the Father subjected Himself to the Son in terms of authority or hierarchy. But your response could be read something like, "Jesus and the Father have the same height and now Jesus has the authority" (as if readers knew what "it" or "the authority" meant), possibly implying that Jesus is in some way the Father's superior--which I believe you do not intend.

You may find it easier just to cite from the Westminster Confession of Faith, for example (perhaps the 3rd item of chapter 2 at Confession of Faith ) or for that matter the Chalcedon Definition, though again from what I have read I do not believe SHQIPTARSOULJA is interested in further Christian explanations of the Trinity or of Jesus. But you could refer SHQIPTARSOULJA to the Bible or to specific Trinitarian texts, e.g. John 1:1, Jesus' baptism and Mt. of Transfiguration accounts in the Gospels, the "Christ hymn" of Phil. 2, and so on.
 
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My initial reaction is that SHQIPTARSOULJA seems more interested in expressing his personal opinions against what he has heard of Christian expressions about the nature of the Trinity than he is curious to receive clarification as to what those views are.

So SHQIPTARSOULJA's interest in any clarification or explanation you offer is probably intended to be mined for further "evidence" against the Trinity or against Jesus rather than as an increased basis for fair judgment. Beware of casting your pearls before swine, as Jesus said.

The above does not necessarily mean you should not offer explanation or clarification. For one thing, your remarks may reduce the number of objections s/he has. Maybe. Or the clarification may have some effect SHQIPTARSOULJA did not intend.

But I also think one of the items you may do well to point out to SHQIPTARSOULJA, Raiyuu, is that his or her personal opinion about what God "must be like" (or not like) is not necessarily of greater authority and reasonableness than Christian tradition or the Bible as they all relate to the doctrines of the Trinity and of Jesus.

The above being said (or rather written), the only doctrinally questionable part of your proffered comments in my understanding (and in the version I have seen) is your admittedly tentative response to SHQIPTARSOULJA's question, " ... Does this mean a part of God died?" (See quote above.)

And I'm not sure I myself can offer a definitive rejoinder to your remarks.

But my understanding of your "some say He went to Hell" is that in church liturgy it probably derives especially from a clause that is a late (and hence probably not original) addition to the (authoritative, but extra-canonical) Apostle's Creed: "He [Jesus] descended into hell [Greek "Hades]" (in addition to "the grave," also in the Apostle's Creed--which you may Google).

Complicating matters is that this clause may comprise a summary of interpretations of various canonical texts, including the obscure and debated 1 Peter 3:19 (in context), with some interpretations possibly contrasting with Hebrews 9:11-12 which imply Jesus went to the heavenly tabernacle with His own blood (when?).

In summary, why risk bringing all that up with SHQIPTARSOULJA? It engages in the obscure and is unnecessary for the topic. And SHQIPTARSOULJA has already admitted that Jesus died.

Otherwise your response here is germane and theologically safe in my judgment, namely in your sentence: "He died like a human but He was brought back to life"--save that I would prefer substituting the word "as" for "like" lest it be taken to imply Jesus was only "like" a human rather than a human. Jesus died as a human.

But the debate here is not that Jesus as a human died. SHQIPTARSOULJA apparently is more interested in whether, as s/he puts it, "a part of God died" (or as we might prefer, the question whether "God the Son died") but that requires careful definition (e.g., "died" means what?), and in some views at least, is debatable or theologically wrong headed.

More to the point, your "safe" sentence above (as I label it, maybe substituting "as" for "like") probably will suffice for SHQIPTARSOULJA even if s/he is not satisfied by it or probably by much else that you might offer by way of response.

Or you may want to revamp your response per the above as a contest of personal opinion versus revelation. Or you may want to ask if the miracles were real or accent human sin and the justice of God.

If, at the end of the day, SHQIPTARSOULJA responds positively to the gospel message that you and perhaps others proffer, it will be because the Holy Spirit has so worked. You are just a witness to the truth.
Why is my name on the quote? None of what you responded to was written by me. I don't quote the confessions to anyone. I am not the least confessional nor do I hold to any of them. Quote the Scriptures not the confessions.
 
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Why is my name on the quote? None of what you responded to was written by me.

Sorry twin1954, but I don't understand you. How do you claim your name is "on the quote" or what do you mean? Even if you intend "username" or the like by the word "name," I don't see the connection between my quotes and you. Was I not citing a conversation between SHQIPTARSOULJA and Raiyuu (= raichuubaybee)?

My citaton of the Apostle's Creed was in reaction to the apparent citation of it that Raiyuu (= raichuubaybee) used unless I am confused as to the identity of the author. But if you do not cite creeds, then the author of the Apostle's Creed allusion was probably not you. Thus I am at a loss to understand you.
 
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Sorry twin1954, but I don't understand you. How do you claim your name is "on the quote" or what do you mean? Even if you intend "username" or the like by the word "name," I don't see the connection between my quotes and you. Was I not citing a conversation between SHQIPTARSOULJA and Raiyuu (= raichuubaybee)?

My citaton of the Apostle's Creed was in reaction to the apparent citation of it that Raiyuu (= raichuubaybee) used unless I am confused as to the identity of the author. But if you do not cite creeds, then the author of the Apostle's Creed allusion was probably not you. Thus I am at a loss to understand you.
See post #5. You seem to be qouting me but it is obviously a mistake. I apologize if I confused you as I was confused as well. I don't use creeds or confessions and don't recommend that anyone use them in defense of the faith either. The Scriptures are good enough.
 
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Hi Raiyuu

There is only one true God of the bible. The God of the bible is one. One God. Got it?

But,

When the God of the bible acts
the intent is always attributed to God the Father
the affect is always attributed to God the Holy Spirit and
the effect is always attributed to God the Son.

The ONLY times the bible mentions the individual "persons of the trinity" is when God acts, and it is always in the economy outlined above.

One could say that Jesus is effectively God, the Holly Spirit is affectively God, and the Father is, for all intents and purposes, God.

As to why They are individual persons:
We know of three types of persons: human, angelic, and deistic. From the similarities we can easily determine what constitutes a person. A person is a being with intellect, emotion and will.

God the Father, God the Holy Spirit and God the Son have their own individual intellects, emotions and wills; however, their intellects, emotions and wills are absolutely identical. Therefore, the very things that make them individuals makes them one.
 
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