Can someone be evil and righteous?

timothyu · Jun 15, 2020

Blade said:
So we battle or.. we embrace sin and live like that. We will always have this battle until we are made as He is .

Is not the idea that we let Him work through us as He wills rather than us trying to improvise or do things our way? Humans clash with 7 billion concepts of what is best for us. God has one concept of what is best for others.
Humans fail God when self trumps others as a priority.

Goodhuman · Jun 15, 2020

Bible say there is good, evil, sinner, righteous and saint among humans.
Romans 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

nolidad · Jun 15, 2020

salt-n-light said:
My sister and I had a discussion on the meaning of "good" and "evil" vs. "righteous" and
"unrighteous"

My sister stance is that we are all evil but through Jesus and receiving the Holy Spirit be made righteous. You are still evil even after be made righteous. You can be both at the same time

My stance is that we are all evil but through Jesus and receiving the Holy Spirit be made righteous. But if you are righteous you are made clean, you are no longer evil. If you are evil you can't be righteous.You can't be both at the same time.

We both agree that no one is good, but our understanding of evil is different. I read it as if you're calling someone evil you're pronouncing a judgement that may not be true. She's saying that its a judgement we already have from birth and its just reiterating the truth.

If anyone can provide clarity with scriptures that would be awesome.

Short answer? YES !!!!

We who are born again are righteous in Jesus! Because of Jesus. We have been given a new nature that cannot sin! However we still have our old nature which is irredeemable! It is evil and cannot ever be made righteous! Our task is to die to our old man daily and live in the new man who is being conformed to the image of Jesus.

To the adults I teach in bible Institute I kid with them that only Christians can truly be called Schizophrenic. For we have two natures that daily battle for supremacy ini our soul. The spirit and the flesh.

Behold · Jun 15, 2020

Rachel20 said:
This is a judicial inability to sin, not an experiential one. Same idea found in 2 Corinthians 5:21 where Christ became sin (judicially), though he never sinned (experientially).

There is no sin in Christ.
The Born again are in Christ.
"As Jesus Is, so are the born again, in this world".

WE , the born again, can't be "One" with God and Christ and have any sin.

The born again are as sinless as the BLood of Jesus.
It has to be so, or we would not be saved.

Jesus has your sin, or you do.
Make up your mind.

Behold · Jun 15, 2020

Phil W said:
Actually, it is written to believers, but is in part about unbelievers.

The verse is not talking to believers.
Also, the Apostle does not have any sin.

Marumorose · Jun 15, 2020

salt-n-light said:
My sister and I had a discussion on the meaning of "good" and "evil" vs. "righteous" and
"unrighteous"

My sister stance is that we are all evil but through Jesus and receiving the Holy Spirit be made righteous. You are still evil even after be made righteous. You can be both at the same time

My stance is that we are all evil but through Jesus and receiving the Holy Spirit be made righteous. But if you are righteous you are made clean, you are no longer evil. If you are evil you can't be righteous.You can't be both at the same time.

We both agree that no one is good, but our understanding of evil is different. I read it as if you're calling someone evil you're pronouncing a judgement that may not be true. She's saying that its a judgement we already have from birth and its just reiterating the truth.

If anyone can provide clarity with scriptures that would be awesome.

We are all born good and evil. Life is about transmuting from darkness to light( from evil to Good). That is what "free will" is about (choosing righteousness or unrighteousness. The book of James 3 says fresh water and salt water cannot flow from the same spring.
You cannot be evil and righteous at the same time because you will be serving two masters
When you are a child of God you don't have evil thoughts.
1 John 3:9-10 says "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.
God Bless You

A_JAY · Jun 15, 2020

1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
This is speaking to Christians. Everybody in the whole wide world alive today sins.

Phil W · Jun 15, 2020

Blade said:
By what you asked I would say no. Right now God sees us 100% righteous..sinless through Christ. Can you do evil things? yes. Think.. its no longer I ( who is I)that sins but sin that is in me. So I is the new man which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. That which is BORN of God can not sin/does not walk in sin/continue in sin. Yet we still live in this flesh that LOVES to sin.

What a morass of contradiction!
I've got some good news for you...
Our "flesh"can now be destroyed when it is baptized into Jesus and into His death, burial, and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-7)
It is written..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24)
So, they that are Christ's have had the flesh killed AND its old vile affections and lusts.
That makes it impossible to serve sin anymore.

So we battle or.. we embrace sin and live like that.
We will always have this battle until we are made as He is .

We battle to continue manifesting we are reborn of God's seed.
Sin comes from the children of the devil. (1 John 3:10)

Phil W · Jun 15, 2020

martin-luther2 said:
1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
This is speaking to Christians. Everybody in the whole wide world alive today sins.

That verse is a first step to becoming a Christian.
As those born of God don't sin anymore, it can't be for Christians.
Fig trees cannot bear grapes, and God's seed cannot bear liars, adulterers, thieves, or the covetous.

98cwitr · Jun 15, 2020

Acts 10:15
The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

Acts 11:9
“The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’

timothyu · Jun 15, 2020

98cwitr said:
that God has made clean.

Are we clean here or only in the Kingdom once being deemed worthy

Phil W · Jun 15, 2020

Behold said:
The verse is not talking to believers.
Also, the Apostle does not have any sin.

It is written to the church, but I can't verify everyone who heard the letter from John is a believer.
Believers don't walk in darkness-sin and unbelievers don't walk in the light-God.
John is talking about two very different spheres of men.
It is those who walk in darkness that cannot say they have no sin.

Behold · Jun 16, 2020

Phil W said:
It is written to the church, but I can't verify everyone who heard the letter from John is a believer.
But believers don't walk in darkness-sin and unbelievers don't walk in the light-God.
John is talking about two very different spheres of men.
It is those who walk in darkness that cannot say they have no sin.

Here is how you can understand when Paul is talking to the Body of Christ, and if John is doing the same.

Just look at Paul's Epistles, and notice if He's addressing the epistle to the "church".
Thats pretty simple.

With John, He will preach to unsaved people and he does not call them "little children".
When he calls them "little children", then you know he's talking to the Born Again.

Phil W · Jun 16, 2020

Behold said:
Here is how you can understand when Paul is talking to the Body of Christ, and if John is doing the same.

Just look at Paul's Epistles, and notice if He's addressing the epistle to the "church".
Thats pretty simple.

With John, He will preach to unsaved people and he does not call them "little children".
When he calls them "little children", then you know he's talking to the Born Again.

I agree, but how many unfaithful are listening in too?
Still, John's letter is ABOUT those who walk in darkness-sin, as well as about the faithful who walk in the light-God.
And he gave them, us, the ways to differentiate between the two.

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