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I concur with your view. Our constant awareness of the folly of self-righteousness is the key to depending on Christ's righteousness to make it to the end. Remarkably, Jesus warned believers in Matt 24:13, Rev 2:26, Rev 3:5, and several other places that he who endures/overcomes to the end shall be saved.I guess the question resolves to what repentance is. Can you actually do it, that is, cease from all sin? Repentance may be a turning from sin, but it is not totally beating sin. In the NT, the scriptures are pretty clear that believers are still subject to temptation and must confess sin to be forgiven. So they must be sinning. I have often taught that repentance is a task you were meant to fail. But the trying is important. It humbles you and puts you at the foot of the throne, dependent on our Lord, Saviour, and Advocate. The trouble comes when we see people who claim they have successfully repented from all sin and have become "perfect as your Father in heaven." They are not humble; they sound like they are boasting about their success! And worst of all, their claim of a successful repentance discourages those who have tried to repent and are honest about their failure. They may turn away thinking it is hopeless. Telling people they have to believe the gospel AND successfully repent to be saved is much like telling them they must believe and then do a million push-ups. It destroys their faith, and they walk away hopeless in defeat. My question is, who are these people who claim to have done those million push-ups???
Thank you for the passages you provided that highlight an irrefutable shade to the concept.The question as I understand it is not "can you ever make a mistake after having repented and accepted salvation".
1 John 2:1 says we are not lost each time we fail, each time we sin.
But there is such a thing as salvation revoked, forgiveness revoked as we see at the end of Matt 18 and as we see in Gal 5:4 being "severed from Christ - fallen from Grace".
You can also see it in Rom 11 where branch - a person who stands in Christ "only by your faith" fails to remain and is "cut off" just as the unbelieving Jews were cut off - according to Paul in Rom 11.
See also Heb 6:1-9
I guess the question resolves to what repentance is. Can you actually do it, that is, cease from all sin? Repentance may be a turning from sin, but it is not totally beating sin. In the NT, the scriptures are pretty clear that believers are still subject to temptation and must confess sin to be forgiven. So they must be sinning. I have often taught that repentance is a task you were meant to fail. But the trying is important. It humbles you and puts you at the foot of the throne, dependent on our Lord, Saviour, and Advocate. The trouble comes when we see people who claim they have successfully repented from all sin and have become "perfect as your Father in heaven." They are not humble; they sound like they are boasting about their success! And worst of all, their claim of a successful repentance discourages those who have tried to repent and are honest about their failure. They may turn away thinking it is hopeless. Telling people they have to believe the gospel AND successfully repent to be saved is much like telling them they must believe and then do a million push-ups. It destroys their faith, and they walk away hopeless in defeat. My question is, who are these people who claim to have done those million push-ups???
Paul says in (Heb. 6:4-6) (v.4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, (v.5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, (v.6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
You mean that you can be enlightened, be partakers of the Holy Ghost, taste the good word of God and still it’s possible for you to fall away. You had better pay attention to what the Lord inspired Paul to write here. Just as you choose to serve God of you own free will you can by that same free will decide to stop serving God. You are what is called a free agent, the choice is yours.
I forgot that I had already said this. But here's more:Were you born with faith in Christ? If not, Who gave it to you? Did you deserve it? Was it a gift because of God's mercy? Who is going to take it away?
Philippians 1:6
being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
Did God give faith to everyone who attends church?
1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
Paul says in (Heb. 6:4-6) (v.4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, (v.5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, (v.6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
You mean that you can be enlightened, be partakers of the Holy Ghost, taste the good word of God and still it’s possible for you to fall away. You had better pay attention to what the Lord inspired Paul to write here. Just as you choose to serve God of you own free will you can by that same free will decide to stop serving God. You are what is called a free agent, the choice is yours.
Tares were made partakers of the Holy Ghost?This passage refers to Tares in the Church, not true believers.
In regard to Hebrews 6:4-6, once enlightened - which means to bring to light, to shed light upon or to cause light to shine upon some object, in the sense of illuminating it. John 1:9 describes Jesus, the "true Light," giving light "to every man," but this cannot mean the light of salvation, because not every man is saved. The light either leads to acceptance of Jesus Christ or produces condemnation in those who reject the light.This passage refers to Tares in the Church, not true believers.
Tares were made partakers of the Holy Ghost?
God doesn't take away a believer's desire to leave, particularly in the face of persecution. If there's no chance that a true believer could potentially lose their salvation, then there would have been no need for the various warnings that "only those who overcome Rev 2:26; 3:5 & v21" shall inherit the promises.I forgot that I had already said this. But here's more:
Romans 8:28-30
And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. / For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. / And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
1 Thessalonians 5:24
The One who calls you is faithful, and He will do it.
1 Corinthians 1:8-9
He will sustain you to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. / God, who has called you into fellowship with His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful.
Thats a huge stretch. It also contradicts Scripture.Yes - in that they benefitted from the blessings and sanctification of fellowship.
However they were never indwelled with His presence.
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
"Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."
God doesn't take away a believer's desire to leave, particularly in the face of persecution. If there's no chance that a true believer could potentially lose their salvation, then there would have been no need for the various warnings that "only those who overcome Rev 2:26; 3:5 & v21" shall inherit the promises.
Thats a huge stretch. It also contradicts Scripture.
1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
Romans 8:9 (KJV)
You are saying that tares can be once enlightened and be partakers of the Holy Spirit.The 'natural man' refers to unbelievers in the world.
Tares are unbelievers in the church who are not born again.
My position does not contradict either Scripture.
You are saying that tares can be once enlightened and be partakers of the Holy Spirit.
So are you saying that they were once saved at one point in time?
Or are you saying they were never saved?
If you say they were never saved, then how can they be once enlightened and made partakers with the Holy Spirit.
The verses I just gave you demonstrate that a saved believer has the Spirit and not the unbeliever.
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