Can people who disagree on abortion stop attacking each other?

[Desk trauma]

True. That does not mean that abortion is not killing a human being. What would you call killing an innocent life?

Depends on the context. When it comes to abortion I call it abortion, sorry I'm not going to add emotional froth.

 

[All Becomes New]

If they are brain dead they are effectively human remains.

So just kill them. Which also is not murder for some reason.

 

[All Becomes New]

Depends on the context.

Alright.

What is your definition of innocent?

 

[YahuahSaves]

If they are brain dead they are effectively human remains.

And I bet you wouldn't say that of a loved one.

 

[coffee4u]

Biblical quotes are not a valid argument. Still, this one ignores the fact that conception occurs in the fallopian tube, not the womb. But since you've admitted that life begins after conception, the only question is, how long after conception?

This seems to imply that we lack free will, and that everything is preordained.

Of course its valid, this is 'Christian Forums'. Pretty sure you knew exactly what you were signing up for when you joined.
As a Christian I will use Gods word. God sees us before we are formed, that is good enough for me.
Just because you personally don't believe it doesn't make it not true. Can you prove God does not see us before we are formed? No you can't since you can't disprove God, as much as you would like to.

It's enough to know God sees us 'before we are formed' Which could well be from conception. Unsure where you got the idea I think life starts sometime later.

 

[Desk trauma]

Alright.

What is your definition of innocent?

No amount of dancing is going to get me to use your preferred terms to describe abortion.

 

[All Becomes New]

No amount of dancing is going to get me to use your preferred terms to describe abortion.

In other words, you don't think pursuing truth is a worthwhile endeavor. Fair enough. Just one last question: Is a baby an innocent human?

 

[Desk trauma]

And I bet you wouldn't say that of a loved one.

I would actually. Brain death is the death of a person regardless of if their corpse can be kept plodding along and I would not pretend that my loved ones were still around if they are in that state.

 

[Desk trauma]

In other words, you don't think pursuing truth is a worthwhile endeavor.

Truth is not defined as using emotional language to refer to abortion.

 

[All Becomes New]

Truth is not defined as using emotional language to refer to abortion.

You didn't answer my question. Why not?

You said, "No way! I am not accepting that no matter what!" So then I say you don't care about pursuing truth. Now you don't want to answer my questions.

Also, where am I appealing to emotions? Either a baby is innocent or it is not. It cannot be both true and false. It's a claim on truth, not emotions.

 

[Desk trauma]

You didn't answer my question. Why not?

Because I'm uninterested in loaded questions.

You said, "No way! I am not accepting that no matter what!"

Not what I said, please do not make things up.

 

[All Becomes New]

Not what I said, please do not make things up.

You said you were not going to use my terms. But I was asking you about your terms. And you didn't want to give an answer on how you define a word (a simple word).

 

[Lost Witness]

When it comes to abortion I call it abortion

When it comes to abortion, I call it Murder?
When It comes to the Ultimate Authority,
He too calls it Murder?
So to who should we listen?
A man?
Or GOD?

 

[Desk trauma]

But I was asking you about your terms. And you didn't want to give an answer on how you define a word (a simple word).

I was in the process of editing the post when you replied if you look I indicated that I call abortion abortion. Sorry I'm not using your preferred terms.

 

[Desk trauma]

When it comes to abortion, I call it Murder?
When It comes to the Ultimate Authority,
He too calls it Murder?
So to who should we listen?
A man?
Or GOD?

Man.

 

[comana]

When it comes to abortion, I call it Murder?
When It comes to the Ultimate Authority,
He too calls it Murder?
So to who should we listen?
A man?
Or GOD?

Here on Earth, laws are written by humans. That is who we should listen to.

 

[YahuahSaves]

I would actually. Brain death is the death of a person regardless of if their corpse can be kept plodding along and I would not pretend that my loved ones were still around if they are in that state.

So a loved one in a coma who has a 50/50 chance of survival if placed on life support? Do you consider them existing since they have no self-awareness in that state?

 

[Lost Witness]

I'll Stick with GOD

 

[Desk trauma]

So a loved one in a coma who has a 50/50 chance of survival if placed on life support? Do you consider them existing since they have no self-awareness in that state?

I said brain dead.

 

[All Becomes New]

I was in the process of editing the post when you replied if you look I indicated that I call abortion abortion. Sorry I'm not using your preferred terms.

I wasn't asking about the word abortion. I was asking about the word innocent.

If you don't want to play anymore, that's fine. No need to reply.