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"Sacrifice her body"... you make it sound like stretch marks are lethal.
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"Sacrifice her body"... you make it sound like stretch marks are lethal.I disagree that a woman is required to sacrifice her body to suffer a pregnancy and delivery because “biology”
I am not talking about stretch marks. I’m guessing you have never been pregnant or you wouldn’t be so flippant."Sacrifice her body"... you make it sound like stretch marks are lethal.you do know rapid weight gain from food intake can result in stretch marks, regardless if someone is pregnant or not. Perhaps if a woman cares about how she looks more than the value of a child's life, she should use contraceptive methods or refrain from engaging in sex.
I gave a first trimester window. Clearly at nine months the woman chose to stay pregnant.Your child lives inside you 3 days before birth as well. If "living inside" is really what you think is the deciding factor then you should have no problem with killing the unborn human 3 days before birth.
And "dependent on the other" is even less of a distinction. Children are 100% dependent on others even after birth. What do you think will happen if nobody feeds the newborn?
Link to the evidence or else it's just your warped opinion.Try to keep up. Twinning proves this to be false.
Twinning proves this to be false.
The question has never been whether anyone chooses to be pregnant. The question is whether you think it is wrong to kill the unborn baby 3 days before birth. Do you?Clearly at nine months the woman chose to stay pregnant.
No evolution was required,Just because it is what we evolved to do does not mean it doesn’t come at a physical cost.
So what other reasons are you suggesting if you aren't talking cosmetic?I am not talking about stretch marks. I’m guessing you have never been pregnant or you wouldn’t be so flippant.
Yeah, many say their bodies have changed cosmetically such as stretchmarks and stretching "downstairs".Women who carry to term will tell you their bodies are changed permanently.
What "sacrifice" ? People choose to have sex. Why should another human lose its life because a woman doesn't want the burden? Actions have consequences.I disagree that a woman is required to sacrifice her body to suffer a pregnancy and delivery because “biology”
Just being pregnant is physically hard and then add in any complications. Then there are long term issues after birth that can manifest decades laterSo what other reasons are you suggesting if you aren't talking cosmetic?
Yeah, many say their bodies have changed cosmetically such as stretchmarks and stretching "downstairs".
What "sacrifice" ? People choose to have sex. Why should another human lose its life because a woman doesn't want the burden? Actions have consequences.
A baby that can survive outside the womb should not be terminated for non medically necessary reasons.The question has never been whether anyone chooses to be pregnant. The question is whether you think it is wrong to kill the unborn baby 3 days before birth. Do you?
So a human life is not inherently valuable. Why is it wrong to kill a baby that could survive outside the womb then?A baby that can survive outside the womb should not be terminated for non medically necessary reasons.
For the reason it can survive outside the womb. The woman needs to choose before that point.So a human life is not inherently valuable. Why is it wrong to kill a baby that could survive outside the womb then?
She should also willingly choose to use contraceptives and make her partner use contraceptives as well. Not that hard. There's complications that arise after abortion as well even decades later. Prevention is better than either result if one does not want to get pregnant or have a child.What difficulties during and after childbirth a woman will experience can’t be predicted. A woman should willingly choose it.
But the baby isn't outside the womb. Your argument wasFor the reason it can survive outside the womb.
which is the case with every unborn baby up until the point of birth. Just because it could theoretically survive outside the womb doesn't make it less "living inside" or less "dependent on the other" in practice.It’s more about one living inside and dependent on the other.
Of course prevention is best. When that fails or doesn’t happen for whatever reason, there is still an option to rectify that if she so chooses. Very early abortions, usually done with a pill, are highly unlikely to have any long term affects.She should also willingly choose to use contraceptives and make her partner use contraceptives as well. Not that hard. There's complications that arise after abortion as well even decades later. Prevention is better than either result if one does not want to get pregnant or have a child.
It's because you keep losing the argument, right? You have neither logic nor morality to back up your position, so you resort to name-calling. You say above pro-lifers wrongly accuse pro-choicers of murdering babies, then you proceed to accuse pro-lifers of lying, then you say both pro-lifers and pro-choicers are lying.I never want to debate abortion with people who disagree with me on the issue because it just goes around in circles, with "pro-lifers" wrongly accusing pro-choicers of murdering babies (which is obviously a lie) and pro-choicers calling pro-lifers misogynists who only care about controlling girls and women. In rape and incest cases, the latter is true, but most claims I read from both sides of the issue are incorrect unless people are just talking about Psalms 139, Job 10, and child development. I want to know if there is any way people can just agree to disagree on when abortion is only for convenience, when fetuses in the womb are viable, and how women should get rid of unwanted babies they can't take care of. There is no reason to doubt someone is a Christian just because he or she disagrees on this one issue, whatever the opinion differences are. I want to be able to trade views about a Christian issue without a fear that someone will deny my faith in God. I know everyone who reads God's Word would feel the same way, whether the issue is abortion or something else.
So instead of debating whether abortion is right or wrong and on what basis, I want to see if people are able to have a friendly discussion on the topic that does not devolve into crap such as, "You are not a Christian," or stupid name-calling.
It's a life, singular at that stage. The zygote has all the 7 biological markers of life.So that's a no? In which case life does not begin at conception.
It doesn't matter whose "fault" it is, and the fact that you're now talking about blame indicates that you think of pregnancy as punishment.I can't tell whether you are serious or joking. You act as if the child chose to be there. You can blame a total of 2 people for a pregnancy: mom and dad. The unborn human is the only one who has zero say in the matter. That the human is in the womb is the direct result of the parents' actions.
You're trying to give first trimester embryos extra rights that no other human has. Nobody has the right to attach themselves to another without permission, and nobody can force you to donate blood or a kidney. Why do you want to grant these special rights to first trimester embryos?I know that you don't believe that humans at that stage of development have the same rights as you.
They are both the same, having been born and being considered human beings.My question is, why. If stage of development defines the value of a human life, it would mean that adults are more valuable than infants.
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