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What difference do you see between these two--I agree, so, what is the difference then...?
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Differences of belief and maybe lack of or on faith, that may or may not be based on accurate knowledge or knowing, etc...? but who's fault is that, etc...?What difference do you see between these two--
1. Jesus was not born of a virgin but I believe him to be God who took on flesh, my Lord and Savior.
2. Jesus was an enlightened man who understood God and taught about God's will for mankind.
There are many issues that divide us on both or many sides, and leading to both trying to first admonish, and the label heretics on both or many sides, but who's right and who's wrong, etc...?Because they are wrong, but the question was on their prospects for salvation.
Differences of belief and maybe lack of or on faith, that may or may not be based on accurate knowledge or knowing, etc...? but who's fault is that, etc...?
If you have a wrong idea about God, how are you not serving or following a false god, etc...? Does it have to do with the will? Or with knowledge or knowing or not knowing at all, etc?What difference do you see between these two--
1. Jesus was not born of a virgin but I believe him to be God who took on flesh, my Lord and Savior.
2. Jesus was an enlightened man who understood God and taught about God's will for mankind.
Do you have to or must you must believe a lie or in lies, or be following a lie, to be following a false God? And my post I just posted right before (above) this one, etc...?The answer is that the first statement (#1), contains a false belief (denies the virgin birth) but it nevertheless affirms Christ as the Son of God and one's Lord and Personal Savior. The second one makes Christ into a different being--not God in the flesh but just a wise man. That's the difference between a false belief that is not essential to salvation and believing in a "false Christ" or "false God."
A person who holds to a false belief of significance is termed a "heretic," one who walks apart. That doesn't mean such a person is ineligible for salvation, however.There are many issues that divide us on both or many sides, and leading to both trying to first admonish, and the label heretics on both or many sides, but who's right and who's wrong, etc...?
If you have a wrong idea about God, how are you not serving or following a false god, etc...?
"False belief of significance" and that's all, etc, and the end all and be all of it all, etc, well how many of us hold to that then?A person who holds to a false belief of significance is termed a "heretic," one who walks apart. That doesn't mean such a person is ineligible for salvation, however.
I agree that there is a distinct difference according to maybe the heart, and will, and maybe knowledge or knowing, etc...People make mistakes, but there is a big difference between making some doctrinal mistake and choosing another God. As you were saying earlier, the Bible's information about God and salvation is pretty straightforward--have Faith in Christ. Obviously, if you put your faith in another Christ (even if you call that other being "Christ"), that one basic stipulation is not being honored.
Technically, many Christians are heretics. Why does this offend you so? It's pretty clear that the different denominations disagree on all sorts of things and they cannot all be right. But almost all do put their faith in the real Savior."False belief of significance" and that's all, etc, and the end all and be all of it all, etc, well how many of us hold to that then?
It doesn't really offend me or bother me, etc, I'm just trying to have and make conversation is all, etc... Also cause I don't believe that just because many might be wrong that they are all going to hell, etc, and wanted to see if we could know or tell the difference for sure, etc, or whether that belongs to God alone, etc...?Technically, many Christians are heretics. Why does this offend you so? It's pretty clear that the different denominations disagree on all sorts of things and they cannot all be right. But almost all do put their faith in the real Savior.
Well then, we apparently agree. Being wrong about how the church is to be run, what the sacraments are, how to administer baptism, and so on can, technically, qualify as heresy. But it doesn't make one a non-Christian who will not be saved.It doesn't really offend me, I'm just trying to have and make conversation... Also cause I don't believe that just because many might be wrong that they are all going to hell, etc, and wanted to see if we could know or tell the difference for sure, etc, or whether that belongs to God alone, etc...?
Anyway,
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And that last part is where we run into some problems and even further divisions, etc...?Well then, we apparently agree. Being wrong about how the church is to be run, what the sacraments are, how to administer baptism, and so on can, technically, qualify as heresy. But it doesn't make one a non-Christian who will not be saved.
There are people, however, who think that Jesus Christ was just a good man or that all gods are equally good to believe in or that God the Father created Christ and sent him into the world as his agent, etc. Any of that gets us into more than just a routine doctrinal difference but goes to the issue of "who is our God?"
Best to reject anything we know as false out of hand imo. I would have dismissed both of those. End of problem, trouble is sometimes, especially in matters of doctrine reaching agreement is difficult.And that last part is where we run into some problems and even further divisions, etc...?
Anyway, sorry if I was annoying, or am an annoyance sometimes, etc, but I am or was just trying to make conversation is all, anyway, thanks for the conversation...
Anyway,
God Bless!
Is it impossible, etc...?Best to reject anything we know as false out of hand imo. I would have dismissed both of those. End of problem, trouble is sometimes, especially in matters of doctrine reaching agreement is difficult.
I hope it's not, but it seems like it is a lot of the time... I mean how do you get people to agree, especially on things like these, etc, and how do we know we're not getting it wrong when we do, and what if we do, etc...? and you can't, nor should you ever, try to "force" or "make" anyone and everyone all believe the same or agree, etc, so how can we agree, etc...?Not impossible at all with people who are willing to search the scriptures with an open heart and accept the promptings of the Holy Spirit.
I have had to change my thinking a number of times, and may still have to, the reason being, the Bible is a unified whole and everything should agree. If it doesn't then we have some severe heart-searching to do.I hope it's not, but it seems like it is a lot of the time... I mean how do you get people to agree, especially on things like these, etc, and how do we know we're not getting it wrong when we do, and what if we do, etc...? and you can't, nor should you ever, try to "force" or "make" anyone and everyone all believe the same or agree, etc, so how can we agree, etc...?
Anyway,
God Bless!
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