Can inanimate objects have spiritual influence?

[Street Smarts]

Such as curses on antiques or jewlery and other stuff
Do you pray over your house?
Can you have spiritual principalites over cities?
etc etc

Just curious what everyone's take is on this

 

[Emma!]

Such as curses on antiques or jewlery and other stuff

Yes

Do you pray over your house?

Yes

Can you have spiritual principalites over cities?
etc etc

Yes

 

[inrsoul]

Yeap!

My fiance's house was once haunted, had this evil presence around because her dad's like to collect weird oddities, antiques and figurines...

Her aunt came (she wasn't a believer back then i think) to pray over the house and to plead the blood of Jesus. The evil feeling and presence lifted right after.... praise God.

 

[sweetrevival]

After I was saved and went through the "Honeymoon period" I began to feel down and things weren't going well. God got another Christian I had met to ring me, and she taught me how to clean my house out. As she put it, I was bringing a new body back into a dirty environment. She told me to get everything bad out (I did a hot/cold kind of thing to find everything), all the time washing the house in the blood of the lamb that cleans and heals everything. I was to burn everything bad. Each time I went back into the house, it felt a little lighter and a little cleaner. By the end of the day, the house was clean and I burned all the evil little things I had collected over the years. My children came home from school, and got out books and comics and action figures and whatever that God prompted them were bad and added them to the fire. It was marvellous. Every now and then I need to clean the house a bit as attitudes and sin can come into the house through all sorts of methods including TV shows. So yes I believe totally that items can carry curses etc. Just ask God if it is good or not. Also a lot of things we collect from other cultures carry curses, because we may look at it as an ornament, but that culture may create it as a blessing for their gods, and that is attached to it when we get it, ie buddhas that everyone thinks are good luck. Isn't God and Jesus our good luck? Why have a foreign god - i just don't get that!
As to principalities and powers, the churches in our town have a jezebel spirit over them, which 100's of christians have prayed against for years. It has been defeated in the spirit world, just have to show it in the physical. If you want a good book about p & p's - read Piercing the Darkness and This Present Darkness by Frank Peretti.
Blessings to you
sweetrevival

 

[Asaph]

You are kidding right? You are just joking about weaving this madam cleo junk into our walk with the King right?

Asaph

 

[Andrew]

My answer would be yes. But the object in itself has no spiritual power. It is the spirit that is attached or used with that object.

But whatever the case, Christians should exercise authority over it. Get rid of the object with the spirits or if its not possible (like you can't get rid of your house) then cleanse the house, cast those idiots out.

I always believe that the Christian should "trample on the lion and the cobra, the young lion and the serpent you shall trample under foot". Not the other way round.

 

[Asaph]

Ooooowwwww.........they'er everywhere they'er everywhere. I'll get you my pretty.....and you're little dog too........!

Bunk. The flesh is the flesh. Demons have no more power over the physical world than we do.

It is a distraction designed to divert you from what is actually important. Walking in the Spirit. Truely living in the Kingdom.

Asaph

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

Sounds like animism blending with Christianity.

 

[John 15:13]

Ooooowwwww.........they'er everywhere they'er everywhere. I'll get you my pretty.....and you're little dog too........!

Bunk. The flesh is the flesh. Demons have no more power over the physical world than we do.

It is a distraction designed to divert you from what is actually important. Walking in the Spirit. Truely living in the Kingdom.

Asaph

Ever watch the movie Matrix? There's no doubt in my mind that you're saved but...

Are you going to take the blue pill, or the red pill?

because you can live this life believing that there are no spirits...you can buy the lie that "they" have no power over you...or you can wake and realize that you are at war. Either way it doesn't matter, I guess. I don't blame demonic power for everything but I cannot deny that much of what I see is influenced by power that is beyond me. "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood..."

When Jesus ascended into heaven He gave me authority. Like I said, I don't blame everything on demonic activity but I can't deny that it exists. I dunno.

 

[Street Smarts]

Ooooowwwww.........they'er everywhere they'er everywhere. I'll get you my pretty.....and you're little dog too........!

Bunk. The flesh is the flesh. Demons have no more power over the physical world than we do.

It is a distraction designed to divert you from what is actually important. Walking in the Spirit. Truely living in the Kingdom.

Asaph

You seem to be the only one that disagreed so far, can you give me scriptural backup to your theory?

 

[delvaughn]

Ooooowwwww.........they'er everywhere they'er everywhere. I'll get you my pretty.....and you're little dog too........!

Bunk. The flesh is the flesh. Demons have no more power over the physical world than we do.

It is a distraction designed to divert you from what is actually important. Walking in the Spirit. Truely living in the Kingdom.

Asaph

Do you believe that the anointing is transferrable? If so, why not evil?

We are not to be yoked with unbelievers -- why not? My understanding is that their sinful nature can bring us down to their level, for lack of a better way to put it.

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

I am really curious, where in the Bible does Jesus (or anybody else for that matter) command evil spirits to come out of an inanimate object? I am sincerely asking because I am interested if this is in there. We see examples of legions (6000 or more) of spirits in people but I don't remember ever hearing of the legions in that clump of rocks over yonder.

I know evil exists. I saw voodoo up close and personal and saw curses but I attributed each and every curse to an evil spirit entering a person or being in a person, never an object. Now, granted, I wouldn't keep some of the statues I saw in my home but not because I believe them to be cursed but because they do not glorify God.

 

[Father Rick]

First, as to principalities over areas... Paul writes, "We wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with principalities and powers, with spiritual wickedness in high places." In the book of Daniel, we see that when Daniel first prayed God sent an angel with the answer, but the angel wrestled with the 'Prince of Persia', a demonic principality, for 3 weeks while trying to bring God's answer.

As to spirits attaching themselves to inanimate objects, scripture just does not explicitly address the subject one way or the other. Scripture does say:

1 Corinthians 8
As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in F22 him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

and 1 Corinthians 10:15-22 15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say. 16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? 17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. 18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? 19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? 20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. 21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?

This would seem to show there CAN be a link between inanimate objects (idols) and devils. However, it would also seem to show that we are not to be over-concerned about it.

 

[Andrew]

I am really curious, where in the Bible does Jesus (or anybody else for that matter) command evil spirits to come out of an inanimate object? I am sincerely asking because I am interested if this is in there. We see examples of legions (6000 or more) of spirits in people but I don't remember ever hearing of the legions in that clump of rocks over yonder.

I know evil exists. I saw voodoo up close and personal and saw curses but I attributed each and every curse to an evil spirit entering a person or being in a person, never an object. Now, granted, I wouldn't keep some of the statues I saw in my home but not because I believe them to be cursed but because they do not glorify God.

The spirits (if there is one) does not dwell in the object. Why would a demon want to go into a little stone statue for instance? It wld want to possess live bodies where it can manifest itself -- ie have a vocie, actions, etc.

But spirits can associate themselves with an object, like a talisman used in temple worship. Kind of like an 'annointing' on Moses rod, for eg, except in this case it is evil.

B4 my wife got saved, her family was buddhist. They had some workers do some work on their house. When the work was done, and the workers left, they found that a religious emblem on their door was removed/stolen. Her dad complained to the company. The guys there weren't happy and placed the object back, but they cursed it or sent something with it.

From that day onwards, both her and her sister had horrendous demonic nightmares that were extremely real. Her sister had it worse than her. It went on night after night until she couldnt stand it any longer -- they both became really tired and weary.

To cut a long story short, when that artefact was removed by her uncle (who does exorcisms -- though a bit unorthodox) the nightmares stopped.

 

[sweetrevival]

Andrew is right that it is not the object that has the power but the spirit behind it. Asaph, you need to ask God to indicate to you whether this is true or not, as you have reacted so over the top about it. God very clearly tells us to put on our armour because we are fighting not flesh but principalities and powers - see Ephesians 6:10-13.
This is part of our walk, to be all that He wants us to be. Do you believe in the End Times then? Have you got your lamps lit for the return of the Bridegroom, because every verse in the bible is relevant to our walk, even the ones we find hard to swallow.

 

[lismore]

Such as curses on antiques or jewlery and other stuff
Do you pray over your house?
Can you have spiritual principalites over cities?
etc etc

Just curious what everyone's take is on this

I would say objects are very important: in the OT the Israelites were to remove the idols so they must have some importance.

Jehu removes the idols:

2 Kings 10:27 They demolished50 the sacred pillar of Baal and51 the temple of Baal; it is used as52 a latrine53 to this very day. 10:28 So Jehu eradicated Baal worship54 from Israel.

 

[psalms 91]

when we talk of warfare it is spiritual warfare. there are spirits all around us, good and bad. some have the ability to see into the spirit realm and yes they are present. i pray over my house, my car etc. prayer warriors are used to help fight spirits, some are used to deliver people from spirits. they are real. while armageddon is a physical battle on earth it is very much a spiritual war. reaD UP ON SPIRITS AND DEMONS.

 

[Asaph]

You seem to be the only one that disagreed so far, can you give me scriptural backup to your theory?

ROFL. That's a bit of an understatement. I think I'm more than alone, I might have just been kicked off the planet!...

I was exaggerating my comments to make a point, but I think I might be being a little misunderstood too. I do not deny that there is a spiritual realm and a fleshly realm. Please don't think I am denying that. It is very important for all of us to understand these two realities and how that affectsd our daily walk with the Lord.

Now, having said that here is something Paul said along these lines that I believe is applicable.

1 Cor 8:4-5
4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one. 5 F
NKJV
1 Cor 10:17-20
17 For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread. 18 Observe Israel after the flesh: Are not those who eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? 19 What am I saying then? That an idol is anything, or what is offered to idols is anything? 20 Rather, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to demons and not to God, and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.
NKJV

I think one of his points here is that we are not to think of the object as being anything, but rather we are to understand who it is, and where it is that we battle.

This is the primary reason for my disagreement with the OP.

Asaph

 

[KleinerApfel]

Can inanimate objects have spiritual influence?
Such as curses on antiques or jewlery and other stuff
Do you pray over your house?
Can you have spiritual principalites over cities?
etc etc

Just curious what everyone's take is on this

Inanimate objects can have a spiritual influence because we all react to objects in various ways, including mentally, physically, emotionally and spiritually. Is that the same thing as them having inherent power though?
Probably not, though I'm willing to listen to other opinions backed by scripture.

When I see or handle any object, it causes some kind of response in me.
It might be a positive or a negative reaction, and that depends on what I perceive of the object.

Maybe evil spirits "hang around" certain objects because they understand that those particular objects can cause specific reactions in certain people.
They might want to make use of that to scare us, or divert us away from spiritual truth and peace.

If we belive an item has been used for an non- Christian spiritual ritual for instance, we will probably regard it negatively; for example with revulsion, hate or fear.
So in that sense, a spiritual effect does occur in us.

So does that mean there is a spirit dwelling within the item itself?
I don't see why it should.
As someone earlier said; we don't see Jesus, or anyone else in the NT dealing with such things.

If a person experiences fear upon contact with these things, they may put it down to the object, and when it is dealt with they feel relief.
What if they are influenced when they didn't know the item was near, or didn't undestand why it might have significance?
Maybe evil spirits simply take the opportunity to cause trouble, then conveniently allow blame to fall on the object, thereby causing a further reaction whenever the person comes upon the same kind of object in the future, without the evil spirits having to even bother doing anything!

Just an opinion.

God bless, Susana

 

[KleinerApfel]

Good quotes and good point Asaph.

God bless, Susana