Can illness/disability teach us?

[SUNSTONE]

The number ZERO can teach us.

Teach us not to listen to those who have zero testimonys.

 

[JimB]

If you continue to fain ignorance then I will continue to anwer your question. It has nothing to do with "spirituality"... just 3rd grade reading.
The topic of the passage is communion.

The blood and the body of Christ. That would seem to be pretty representitive of the atonement would it not? On the day of atonement the blood of the lamb was shed and the body was roasted and eaten. We do the same in rememberance of Him.

Failure to parktake of the blood with faith results in the lost of your soul. You can drink the wine until you are drunk as a skunk and it does no no good whatsoever if you do not discern the blood of the lord.

Failure to partake of the body with faith results in being weak, sickly, and early death. You and eat the bread until you pop.... but if you do not discern why that body what beaten and brused for you, you will not avial yourself of the benefit of that sacrifice.

If you do not see this, I would highly suggest you not take the bread during communion. Heed Paul's warning.

You are still trying to force a square peg in a round hole, Dids. Where’s the “healing” in this passage of scripture (1 Corinthians 11) that would make healing a guarantee in the atonement? You want to talk about communion; we are talking about PHIA. Remember?

Let’s try to keep up.

~Jim

It is just as shocking to see Christianity really practiced, as it is to hear it criticized.​

 

[JustAFadedMemory]

You are still trying to force a square peg in a round hole, Dids. Where’s the “healing” in this passage of scripture (1 Corinthians 11) that would make healing a guarantee in the atonement? You want to talk about communion; we are talking about PHIA. Remember?

Let’s try to keep up.

~Jim

It is just as shocking to see Christianity really practiced, as it is to hear it criticized.​

The healing (actually health, healing is only needed if you ever get sick) is in the discerning of the body of the lord.

Not discerning the Lord's body = weak, sick, early death.

Discern the Lord's body = not weak, not sick, not early death.

 

[JustAFadedMemory]

Am I going to have to define the word "is" next?

 

[SUNSTONE]

You are still trying to force a square peg in a round hole, Dids. Where’s the “healing” in this passage of scripture (1 Corinthians 11) that would make healing a guarantee in the atonement? You want to talk about communion; we are talking about PHIA. Remember?

Let’s try to keep up.

~Jim

It is just as shocking to see Christianity really practiced, as it is to hear it criticized.​

Does 2 + 2 = 0???

No it doesn't.
But your fruits on healings equal that number, why is that?

 

[JustAFadedMemory]

Bedtime!!!
Nite-nite friends.

 

[probinson]

Are you saying I am the only one? (I don't think so). I may be very outspoken.

Actually, those come from WoF's sanctuary and come in here are the ones are the problem. We had quiet moments until this started again.

Buh-loney. All of these threads have been started by non-WoF people. I'm content to let it drop, but others just keep on digging it up. Take a look at the last few pages of this thread. You just keep fanning the fire, and wondering why it won't go out! If you want to stop talking about healing, then STOP IT!

OTOH, if you want to discuss this 'til they're selling sno-cones in hell that say "Jesus is Lord" on them, that's fine with me too, but then don't act like it's "those come from WoF's sanctuary" that "are the problem", because that's just simply not true.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Maybe that's why God told us to show up.

Got any idea who said this, just a couple days ago?

My first step by the conviction of the Holy Spirit
I will stop discussing healing unless I am asked directly about the topic at another location rather than here. Anytime I see the word “healing” in the thread, I am to avoid it. Anytime I see someone bring up the word “healing”, I am going to leave the thread and not discuss the thread any further. There’s no point to discuss with anyone who brings in “healing” into the thread.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Am I going to have to define the word "is" next?

I wonder what your next screen name would be. I am curious to know how many times you changed your names.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Buh-loney. All of these threads have been started by non-WoF people. I'm content to let it drop, but others just keep on digging it up. Take a look at the last few pages of this thread. You just keep fanning the fire, and wondering why it won't go out! If you want to stop talking about healing, then STOP IT!

OTOH, if you want to discuss this 'til they're selling sno-cones in hell that say "Jesus is Lord" on them, that's fine with me too, but then don't act like it's "those come from WoF's sanctuary" that "are the problem", because that's just simply not true.

Sure.. I will stop if those stop bombarding with "h". We had a quiet forum for awhile.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Got any idea who said this, just a couple days ago?

You might be right, the Holy Spirit may be convicting me as well as you and many others. But, as someone said, maybe its time to move on and do something more meaningful than wasting time here. That got to me. Maybe I am wasting my time here that are not benefitial and through YOU all... the Holy Spirit is telling me, this place is not worth it... move on. I have been considering in the past few weeks. You be happy to know the "thorn" may disappear so that you all can enforce your doctrines in the general P/C forum that should be in the Word of Faith sub-forum. I just wanted to state that. Why was the WoF sub-forum created in the first place?

 

[Always in His Presence]

You do know that Healing in the Atonement is not an exclusive Word of Faith Doctrine - right?

Assemblies of God has it in their Doctrinal stance
Church of the Foursquare has it in their Doctrinal stance.

Both of those organizations are giants in comparrison to the Word of Faith - why don't you mention them?

Edit: Others that have the same doctrinal stance:

Church of God: http://www.churchofgod.cc/about/declaration_of_faith.cfm

The Pentecostal Church of God: http://www.pcg.org/s_22.asp

Church of God of Prophesy: http://www.cogop.org/about/beliefs.cfm

Elim Fellowship: http://www.elimfellowship.org/content/sub.php?page_id=8

The Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada: http://www.paoc.org/

I'm still not sure why you only point out Word of Faith and leave all these and many others out of it?

It's also amazing that God has revealed the error of it to two Jim's here and not to the thousands of Bishops, Pastors, Evangelists, Prophets in these organizations.

 

[JimfromOhio]

You do know that Healing in the Atonement is not an exclusive Word of Faith Doctrine - right?

Assemblies of God has it in their Doctrinal stance
Church of the Foursquare has it in their Doctrinal stance.

Both of those organizations are giants in comparrison to the Word of Faith - why don't you mention them?

Yes I know but they don't force their doctrines on us like WoF does. I have some friends who are in those denominational and only the ones that bothers me the most here and through my local community is WoF followers.

HOURS ago, I have invited everyone to discuss the real issue that TheMatmanReturns' post came about and I responded. Here's the site, I will NOT discuss (reply) to your specific posts here again here until you post your thoughts in this THREAD. !!! Read Posts #19 (not mine but rather a WoFer,TheMatmanReturns') and #20 (mine). Apostasy

 

[JimfromOhio]

You do know that Healing in the Atonement is not an exclusive Word of Faith Doctrine - right?

Assemblies of God has it in their Doctrinal stance
Church of the Foursquare has it in their Doctrinal stance.

Both of those organizations are giants in comparrison to the Word of Faith - why don't you mention them?

By the way... my parents are members of Foursquare. They never force their doctrines down in my throat. They know I am aware of their beliefs and they let it be.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Yes I know but they don't force their doctrines on us like WoF does.

Great sweeping generalization there.

 

[RevJdK]

Hmmm...so let me see if I get this straight....IF I am a dentist, and my child has a bad habit of cursing and backtalking....I would be a good father if I pick up a bat, knock the teeth out of her head, then, later on, when she has suffered through trying to talk...and I feel she has truly learned the value of being able to speak properly...I replace her teeth....that would make me a good father? Or, If I do anything horrible to my kids to "teach" them a lesson, that would be ok? And this is how you view God? Hmmm...interesting.
And, not being rude or starting a fuss (cause I`m not gonna argue with anyone on this gross misunderstanding of our Lord), If I were a sinner and I saw a believer needing me to help them into a car....or needing me to fix a meal for them....Or any number of things... I would honestly look at those poor folks and say " Wow!! Your God must really stink to be all powerful, yet have you in this situation"...this is exactly what I use to think when I would be riding down the road and see a PC church holding up a sign to wash my car for donations...I use to think "If your God is that great, why do you need MY money"....same thoughts on this...uh...I guess you say "theology"......

 

[Optimax]

Yes I know but they don't force their doctrines on us like WoF does. I have some friends who are in those denominational and only the ones that bothers me the most here and through my local community is WoF followers.

A couple of questions JimfromOhio.

How does WOF force doctrines on you?

Why do "WOF followers" bother you so much?

 

[JustAFadedMemory]

I wonder what your next screen name would be. I am curious to know how many times you changed your names.

I could do a history for you if you like. I obviously do not make a secret of it and always let everyone know. Even if I did not, all you have to do is look at the stickys and by blog and you will find Dids up there.
Besides that, CF offers this service. All you have to do is go up to "CF Customizer", plop down 12000 blessings, and change you login to whatever you want. There is nothing wrong with it and I kind of like the change once in a while. I also like it because you get to carry all your other stuff with you. (Post count, history, etc.)
Your posts all stay yours howbeit with your new login.
As for my next login name... I might change it back to Dids!

 

[JustAFadedMemory]

By the way... my parents are members of Foursquare. They never force their doctrines down in my throat. They know I am aware of their beliefs and they let it be.

I am not sure where you get this "force.... down throat" stuff. I believe a brief reveiw of all the "healing" threads will show that the majority are not started by WoF and are not even about healing.... they are anti-wof/pro-sickness.
So the reality is this. While I for one do not go around pushing healing on people who do not want it, I certainly am not going to have sickness pushed down my throat. And as far as the anti-wof... that goes with faith. People are persecuted for faith... that is why we have a Hebrews 11. ((You will not find a 'heroes of unbelief' chapter in the Bible where doubters are both persecuted and lauded for their rejection of God's provisions...)) But that is to be expected. And of course like every other presecution that has come down the road it is always other believers who do the persecution. The world does not really care about these things...
So I for one feel like I am in good company.
Howbeit sad that people who are supposed to love us have instead decided to make it their mission in life to attack us.

 

[JustAFadedMemory]

Hmmm...so let me see if I get this straight....IF I am a dentist, and my child has a bad habit of cursing and backtalking....I would be a good father if I pick up a bat, knock the teeth out of her head, then, later on, when she has suffered through trying to talk...and I feel she has truly learned the value of being able to speak properly...I replace her teeth....that would make me a good father? Or, If I do anything horrible to my kids to "teach" them a lesson, that would be ok? And this is how you view God? Hmmm...interesting.
And, not being rude or starting a fuss (cause I`m not gonna argue with anyone on this gross misunderstanding of our Lord), If I were a sinner and I saw a believer needing me to help them into a car....or needing me to fix a meal for them....Or any number of things... I would honestly look at those poor folks and say " Wow!! Your God must really stink to be all powerful, yet have you in this situation"...this is exactly what I use to think when I would be riding down the road and see a PC church holding up a sign to wash my car for donations...I use to think "If your God is that great, why do you need MY money"....same thoughts on this...uh...I guess you say "theology"......

Consider this...

I am a Father with kids (4 actually, and 4 grand children).
Imagine me taking them (when they were small) down to the playground. When we arrive I proceed to beat the crap out of them. I mean beat them bloody. Broken arms, concussions, etc... I somehow figure how to put cancers on them and even blind and cripple them.
When I am finally finished, I then demand of these children (whom I have crushed into the ground) that they go about the playground and convince the other children how great a father I am, and would'nt they all love it if I were their father too! When the police arrive to take me away, these bloody children all cry and say "we do not mind taking beatings to show how glorious our father is... he just did it to glorify himself and to teach us to trust him even more! We love him so much that we are willing to endure his abuse for that purpose. And besides, it makes other chidren want to be his children also!"

This is what we are expected to swallow from the "sick for God" crowd.