Can I prove absolute truth?

[CoffeeGeek]

other than the saying "are you absolutely sure?", after which I could say, "well, its my opinion anyway.

 

[Bouke285]

The only absolute truth is God himself. If you're asking for a way to prove without a shadow of a doubt that God is real the answer is no. Someone who makes decisions only when they are 100% sure of the result might be considered insane. Somebody who doesn't leave their house because they aren't 100% sure they won't die is an example. I don't know why people, I'm not saying you, expect or need a mathematical proof of God to act, because in any other situation that person might be considered insane. Even if one could prove the existence of God the argument would be about which God, but without the faith we have now.

There are absolute truths, and they will be either true or false independent on our belief or interpretation of them. Our faith is built on six or so fundamental absolutes. One must believe God exists. One must believe Jesus is the son of God. One must believe they are a sinner and need a savior. One must believe that Jesus payed for their sin in atonement, in death. One must believe Christ was physically raised from the dead. These are the fundamental truths to Christianity, they could be considered absolute because without them our faith is void.

 

[mark kennedy]

That would depend on what you consider absolute. The real answer is that God alone is absolute and only God and prove absolute truth, absolutely. If you seek to know the truth there are ways of confirming it, as far as what I may or may not be able to prove....well...that really depends on what kind of proof you are looking for.

 

[CoffeeGeek]

I think I'm beginning to see here, Bouke285. You are trying to tell me you are absolutely sure there is no way to pin point an absolute. I'm not saying faith isn't involved in belief in God (or else the bible would be lying, if indeed it claimed to be true), but it seems I ought to have a good reason...
But wait, I just reaad thru it again, how can you tell me "one must believe God exists" if you have no reason to believe He does and never can. I'm confused. Are you asking me to blindly believe in an absolute I absolutely can never really know is there?
Just as a note though, don't apologize for telling the truth like it is, plain as say so I can understand, at this point I don't really care if my feelings get hurt or not, I just want to know. Thanks and I apologize if I said anything to offend you, I certainly don't mean to, I find myself doing that a lot lately. Asking questions is a dangerous thing ; ).

 

[Bouke285]

I think I'm beginning to see here, Bouke285. You are trying to tell me you are absolutely sure there is no way to pin point an absolute. I'm not saying faith isn't involved in belief in God (or else the bible would be lying, if indeed it claimed to be true), but it seems I ought to have a good reason...
But wait, I just reaad thru it again, how can you tell me "one must believe God exists" if you have no reason to believe He does and never can. I'm confused. Are you asking me to blindly believe in an absolute I absolutely can never really know is there?
Just as a note though, don't apologize for telling the truth like it is, plain as say so I can understand, at this point I don't really care if my feelings get hurt or not, I just want to know. Thanks and I apologize if I said anything to offend you, I certainly don't mean to, I find myself doing that a lot lately. Asking questions is a dangerous thing ; ).

I am reasonably sure God exists =D see how this works? Based on the reasonable chance of his existence, I must make decisions based on ideas I believe to be definitely, absolutely true or definitely, absolutely false. What we're doing now is discussing philosophy apart from scripture.

It is in the realm of no reasonable doubt I believe in absolute truth. My reasons to believe, just as every Christians' are personal. I see creation differently than you will. I see the intricate subtlety of seeming contradiction in scripture to elegantly point to truth, because what human wouldn't force the words to fit perfectly? I believe we will believe when God reveals himself to us by the Holy Spirit.

If God exists he must be the greatest comprehensible being. By definition the greatest comprehensible being must exist, or he isn't the greatest comprehensible being. Thus, God must exist. Ha a little philosophy mind game to think about. Take it with a grain of salt.

As far as offending me, it's very hard to do that. Asking questions, sadly has become a dangerous thing. I actually have a blog built around the idea not being afraid to ask questions. It's new, a place where I am exploring major disagreements in christianity, trying to flesh out some of my own beliefs. If you're interested click on the clapping smiley (bottom of my sig) I got in trouble for having it linked, so shhhh haha. PM me if you ever want to discuss more deeply.

 

[TheLionOfGod]

other than the saying "are you absolutely sure?", after which I could say, "well, its my opinion anyway.

Yes you can prove the absolute truth.

 

[Radagast]

other than the saying "are you absolutely sure?", after which I could say, "well, its my opinion anyway.

I'm afraid I don't understand the question.

 

[parsley]

how can you tell me "one must believe God exists" if you have no reason to believe He does and never can.

Most Christians have trial and error experiences, where they ask God to reveal Himself and clear responses are given. Then they request more, and solid confirmations appear. The whole Christian life is filled with daily half-proofs.

Nothing seems concrete, and I think that is because we tend to own and manipulate things we can grasp onto. God will not be pushed around by us, no matter how much we know about Him. So it's okay to be humble and have a little mystery.

Faith is required to trust that our prayers will lead to God changing situations, but when we see so many answers to prayer, it is difficult to deny what we have seen.