Can I come back ?

[mikeforjesus]

I think I have troubled people with Jesus words unless you eat My flesh you have no life in you to mean Protestants may never be saved or have a chance at being worthy of a reward but I have given a good reasoning for believing as orthodox we should accept Protestants. I know in my conscience it is wrong to cast doubt in Protestants ability to be saved because I may hinder the gospel for people who may even be close to death who can doubt Christianity because there are too many denominations claiming to be the way who are offended by disunity and the bad representation orthodox give of God
How can I come back to God as He said you can not go back to Him without reconciling with others (I mean in terms of reward as you can still be saved but not if you refuse reconciliation from unforgiveness and those in your faith )? Do you forgive me my rebellion ?I can say I insist and hold to death Protestants can be saved but you may not believe me and you may think I will change my mind. So how do I cancel this negative effect ? I can not be Protestant but a Christian who believes in unity of all believers because I can not get out of my mind you need to be baptised and/or born of water to be saved and eat His flesh but I believe Protestants can be forgiven in the age to come so I would still have to be orthodox and I think the Holy Spirit within me supports unity because of my conscience. Our conscience will accuse or excuse us in the day of Jesus

My defense for it being proper to accept Protestants is in the link below

Christian blog: Christianity

Anyway how do I cancel my negative affect on others of allowing those views not within my conscience to affect me. How do I get them to forgive me by not being offended anymore from me. I am willing to say I hold to death Christian unity but you may think I will return to those extremist views which make the path more narrow than it is which is in Jesus.

Also I would like your views on below
Christian blog: Knowing you are a Christian

 

[smithed64]

I think I have troubled people with Jesus words unless you eat My flesh you have no life in you to mean Protestants may never be saved or have a chance at being worthy of a reward but I have given a good reasoning for believing as orthodox we should accept Protestants.

Well, you're not saved by communion. You are saved by Grace, Faith and Christ alone.

I know in my conscience it is wrong to cast doubt in Protestants ability to be saved because I may hinder the gospel for people who may even be close to death who can doubt Christianity because there are too many denominations claiming to be the way who are offended by disunity and the bad representation orthodox give of God

Your assumption is incorrect. You assume Protestants don't know or hear the Gospel. This is incorrect. It was the Protestant reformation that helped to get the bible out to everyone so that all could read and know the Gospel. It was the Gospel that led the Protestant reformation.

How can I come back to God as He said you can not go back to Him without reconciling with others? Do you forgive me my rebellion?I can say I insist and hold to death Protestants can be saved but you may not believe me and you may think I will change my mind. So how do I cancel this negative effect? I can not be Protestant but a Christian who believes in the unity of all believers because I can not get out of my mind you need to be baptized and/or born of water to be saved and eat His flesh but I know the Holy Spirit within me supports unity because of my conscience. Our conscience will accuse or excuse us in the day of Jesus

You are forgiven. I am from the Protestant religion, Pentecostal, I forgive you. You made an incorrect assumption. People do that a lot.
You cannot cancel anything, God does. You do your part, you ask for forgiveness. If those that you offended, forgive you, give God the praise and go about your walk with Him. If some don't forgive you, then give praise to God and go about your walk with Him. Because you obeyed Him and let the Holy Spirit work on your conscience. God will handle it from here.
I believe you are saying, please correct me if I'm wrong, that you should repent, place your trust in Christ, then be baptized to show your commitment, that you are dead to this world and alive in Christ.
The Holy Spirit supports God and the message of Christ. There is suppose to be unity in the body of Christ. And in most part there is. There are times though that things happen and we need to bring it to God and have Him heal our Chruch, our people, and our nation.

My

defence for it being proper to accept Protestants is in the link below

It isn't about accepting Protestants. It's about living for and being like Christ. In His time there were no dogmas, no denominations. There was the Father and the message He sent His Son Jesus. And that message is that He is the way and the truth and no one can come to the Father but through Him. That we are to love our neighbor. To be saved is to repent and place our Trust in Christ. To obey His Commandments.


Christian blog: Christianity

Anyway how do I cancel my negative affect on others of allowing those views not within my conscience to affect me. How do I get them to forgive me by not being offended anymore from me. I am willing to say I hold to death Christian unity but you may think I will return to those extremist views which make the path more narrow than it is which is in Jesus.

Answered above.
Your forgiven.

 

[mikeforjesus]

Thank you very much
You were very kind and I liked your answer

No I do not believe baptism is to show commitment and rewards but I believe Jesus made it necessary to go to heaven directly through it and also eating His body and blood since I believe these sacraments help testify going to heaven immediately but I believe one can live righteous perfectly without that witness without it but I think orthodox must remain orthodox while not condemning Protestants because to whom much is given much will be required. If someone who left orthodoxy has a son that son may be excused if he feels he is dishonoring his parents but that parent may not be saved until he returns back or is absolved by the church

I believe one will be saved later if he is a faithful and repentant Christian

 

[stuart lawrence]

I think I have troubled people with Jesus words unless you eat My flesh you have no life in you to mean Protestants may never be saved or have a chance at being worthy of a reward but I have given a good reasoning for believing as orthodox we should accept Protestants. I know in my conscience it is wrong to cast doubt in Protestants ability to be saved because I may hinder the gospel for people who may even be close to death who can doubt Christianity because there are too many denominations claiming to be the way who are offended by disunity and the bad representation orthodox give of God
How can I come back to God as He said you can not go back to Him without reconciling with others (I mean in terms of reward as you can still be saved but not if you refuse reconciliation from unforgiveness and those in your faith )? Do you forgive me my rebellion ?I can say I insist and hold to death Protestants can be saved but you may not believe me and you may think I will change my mind. So how do I cancel this negative effect ? I can not be Protestant but a Christian who believes in unity of all believers because I can not get out of my mind you need to be baptised and/or born of water to be saved and eat His flesh but I believe Protestants can be forgiven in the age to come so I would still have to be orthodox and I think the Holy Spirit within me supports unity because of my conscience. Our conscience will accuse or excuse us in the day of Jesus

My defense for it being proper to accept Protestants is in the link below

Christian blog: Christianity

Anyway how do I cancel my negative affect on others of allowing those views not within my conscience to affect me. How do I get them to forgive me by not being offended anymore from me. I am willing to say I hold to death Christian unity but you may think I will return to those extremist views which make the path more narrow than it is which is in Jesus.

Also I would like your views on below
Christian blog: Knowing you are a Christian

So you don't believe a person can be saved unless they are baptised I water?

You must believe then unsaved people can receive the holy spirit as the disciples did at Pentecost and speak in tongues( Cornelius and his household Acts ch10)

Happily i have no problem accepting you as a christian. All you have to do is repent and ask the son of God into your life as your lord and saviour. I'm sure you have done that

 

[stuart lawrence]

I think I have troubled people with Jesus words unless you eat My flesh you have no life in you to mean Protestants may never be saved or have a chance at being worthy of a reward but I have given a good reasoning for believing as orthodox we should accept Protestants. I know in my conscience it is wrong to cast doubt in Protestants ability to be saved because I may hinder the gospel for people who may even be close to death who can doubt Christianity because there are too many denominations claiming to be the way who are offended by disunity and the bad representation orthodox give of God
How can I come back to God as He said you can not go back to Him without reconciling with others (I mean in terms of reward as you can still be saved but not if you refuse reconciliation from unforgiveness and those in your faith )? Do you forgive me my rebellion ?I can say I insist and hold to death Protestants can be saved but you may not believe me and you may think I will change my mind. So how do I cancel this negative effect ? I can not be Protestant but a Christian who believes in unity of all believers because I can not get out of my mind you need to be baptised and/or born of water to be saved and eat His flesh but I believe Protestants can be forgiven in the age to come so I would still have to be orthodox and I think the Holy Spirit within me supports unity because of my conscience. Our conscience will accuse or excuse us in the day of Jesus

My defense for it being proper to accept Protestants is in the link below

Christian blog: Christianity

Anyway how do I cancel my negative affect on others of allowing those views not within my conscience to affect me. How do I get them to forgive me by not being offended anymore from me. I am willing to say I hold to death Christian unity but you may think I will return to those extremist views which make the path more narrow than it is which is in Jesus.

Also I would like your views on below
Christian blog: Knowing you are a Christian

I know where you are coming from though.
In the church of my youth the ministers favourite sermons were attacking catholic belief. I grew up having serious doubts as to whether Catholics could be christians due to those sermons.
Then, a few years later I went to live in a christian community. I didn't know until I arrived they were predominantly catholic. I was shocked I can tell you! I felt distinctively uncomfortable.
And yet, they as I had received what the disciples had at Pentecost, so we were all saved, them and me. Wonderful

 

[mikeforjesus]

Thank you for accepting me. Yes I do believe people who won't be saved can receive even the Holy Spirit. Paul was saying how dare any of you refuse them not to be baptised in the church and they were baptised in water. God gave them the Holy Spirit because He wanted to show acceptance of Gentiles. I think He even gives the Holy Spirit to non Christians who believe but won't confess Him since one can not say Jesus is Lord except through the Holy Spirit. If they refused to be baptised He could have taken away their gift and I think the gift was given to them so they join the church

I don't believe one can ever be considered saved until death. I do believe if one dies in a good state outside of his control only then we will know he was probably saved.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Thank you for accepting me. Yes I do believe people who won't be saved can receive even the Holy Spirit. Paul was saying how dare any of you refuse them not to be baptised in the church and they were baptised in water. God gave them the Holy Spirit because He wanted to show acceptance of Gentiles. I think He even gives the Holy Spirit to non Christians who believe but won't confess Him since one can not say Jesus is Lord except through the Holy Spirit. If they refused to be baptised He could have taken away their gift and I think the gift was given to them so they join the church

I don't believe one can ever be considered saved until death. I do believe if one dies in a good state outside of his control only then we will know he was probably saved.

So you believe people in an unsaved state can receive the Holy Spirit?

But he is the seal of Gods approval in man for the day of redemption

I dont see how the unsaved can be sealed for the day of redemption myself

 

[mikeforjesus]

No they can not keep the Holy Spirit if they are not accepted by God. The Holy Spirit is proof one is accepted by God but how does one know he has the Holy Spirit? It must be continual regeneration

 

[stuart lawrence]

No they can not keep the Holy Spirit if they are not accepted by God. The Holy Spirit is proof one is accepted by God but how does one know he has the Holy Spirit? Maybe I shouldn't ask that because it is obvious he has it if he is being regenerated ? But how does one know he will not stop being regenerated and lose the Holy Spirit when he encounters the truth that he needs to join the church by maybe a good witness

If one has faith in Jesus they have the holy spirit dont they. You couldn't have such faith through the flesh. If one has heartfelt conviction of sin they must have the holy spirit.
Thank goodness i changed my views. Looking back I was just a pompous ass in my youth, smuggly believing I was saved because I knew the truth and went to the correct church, whilst questioning others salvation due to them going to a church that did not see everything the same way my church did

 

[stuart lawrence]

No they can not keep the Holy Spirit if they are not accepted by God. The Holy Spirit is proof one is accepted by God but how does one know he has the Holy Spirit? It must be continual regeneration

You cannot keep the holy spirit if you are not accepted by God, but you can receive the holy spirit if you are not accepted by God.
Is that a correct interpretation of your belief?

 

[mikeforjesus]

No I was agreeing with you and trying to show that what I said first I think is wrong now

 

[stuart lawrence]

No I was agreeing with you and trying to show that what I said first I think is wrong now

You have humility

The greatest commandment on websites such as these appears to be:

Thou shalt never admit thou could be wrong

God bless

 

[mikeforjesus]

Thank you

 

[dqhall]

I think I have troubled people with Jesus words unless you eat My flesh you have no life in you to mean Protestants may never be saved or have a chance at being worthy of a reward but I have given a good reasoning for believing as orthodox we should accept Protestants. I know in my conscience it is wrong to cast doubt in Protestants ability to be saved because I may hinder the gospel for people who may even be close to death who can doubt Christianity because there are too many denominations claiming to be the way who are offended by disunity and the bad representation orthodox give of God
How can I come back to God as He said you can not go back to Him without reconciling with others (I mean in terms of reward as you can still be saved but not if you refuse reconciliation from unforgiveness and those in your faith )? Do you forgive me my rebellion ?I can say I insist and hold to death Protestants can be saved but you may not believe me and you may think I will change my mind. So how do I cancel this negative effect ? I can not be Protestant but a Christian who believes in unity of all believers because I can not get out of my mind you need to be baptised and/or born of water to be saved and eat His flesh but I believe Protestants can be forgiven in the age to come so I would still have to be orthodox and I think the Holy Spirit within me supports unity because of my conscience. Our conscience will accuse or excuse us in the day of Jesus

My defense for it being proper to accept Protestants is in the link below

Christian blog: Christianity

Anyway how do I cancel my negative affect on others of allowing those views not within my conscience to affect me. How do I get them to forgive me by not being offended anymore from me. I am willing to say I hold to death Christian unity but you may think I will return to those extremist views which make the path more narrow than it is which is in Jesus.

Also I would like your views on below
Christian blog: Knowing you are a Christian

What is to partake in the sacraments? I do not believe the Catholics or Orthodox have cornered a supply of the flesh of God. If you take a piece of bread and a sip of wine from an ordained priest, you yet need to do God's will to be saved. The food alone is not sufficient.

John 4:31 In the meanwhile, the disciples urged him, saying, "Rabbi, eat." 32But he said to them, "I have food to eat that you don't know about." 33The disciples therefore said one to another, "Has anyone brought him something to eat?" 34Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of him who sent me, and to accomplish his work. -- World English Bible

If I want to be saved like Jesus was saved, then I must accomplish the works his father commands.

 

[mikeforjesus]

That is true. Thanks for your reply. Some of us believe we still need to do His will.

 

[PottersHands]

What "works" did the robber on the cross next to Jesus do to be promised he would be in Paradise that day with Jesus?

If I come across a terrible accident and talk with a person who is near death and I ask them if they know Jesus and I'm not Catholic and they're not Catholic, but the person accepts Jesus is that person saved when death comes moments later?

Also, I don't understand the Eucharist being the actual body and blood of Jesus. I'm blessed because I believe without seeing but then his physical body is actually there in my hand?

 

[Winken]

How does a questioner, such as in the OP, receive Christian advice if follow-up posters have varying viewpoints? Does that not leave the OP in confusion, even potential heresy? Come on, folks. The Gospel is GOOD NEWS, simple, straight-forward GOOD NEWS, no conflicts.

 

[PottersHands]

How does a questioner, such as in the OP, receive Christian advice if follow-up posters have varying viewpoints? Does that not leave the OP in confusion, even potential heresy? Come on, folks. The Gospel is GOOD NEWS, simple, straight-forward GOOD NEWS, no conflicts.

 

[PottersHands]

What's the OP? Catholic dogma concerns me, do I ignore it?

 

[Winken]

What's the OP? Catholic dogma concerns me, do I ignore it?

The OP is Post #1, the opening post.