You left an idea dangling. What did you mean by I thought I did?
So, we both are Trinitarian, mine from believing, but later seeing The Essence of God, so our views will not clash there, which to me means, you might have already passed the test, that is given of all people, honesty, your commitment to it.
Most of my work on God is outside the concept of belief, so you and I will have trouble communicating here.
Your logic above totaly escapes me, so far. Let me try the next part, guessing:
I think yes, God is Energy and Spirit and Diety and Person and Light and Love, it is only about soul, whether or not God has a soul or is a soul also, this I do not know yet. For I do not understand soul, as it applies to Jesus, Who is said, still has one.
So what is the weight of his breadth? What is the energy of His breath? Is the breadth of Him, something, thus being something and thus maybe with some component of God in it, or not? Something has characteristics. It could be spirtual, or love or light or mass or energy, thus it could all or some part of God.
You say two options, and no more is implied by you. One is matter existed. Well at one point yes, matter existed. In the context of God Biblicaly, at one point matter did not exist also.
The other is God created what he created, but matter is not discussed, it is inferred. And it is so. Matter creates space, and it creates time, so this discussion can now go to where did matter come from.
Matter came from God, it seems. How it came from God is the focus of this discussion now.
The only thing we know on earth now, but not before it was discovered and proved is matter is really congealed energy, which cannot be created nor destroyed, but only change forms. Is it posssible this is wrong when we get to God? I don't know yet. However using it as fact, that energy and matter can neither be created nor destroyed, which is a position God asked us to find out in Genesis 1:28, it is therefore possible, to guess that God might in fact have an energy component to Him, that He also uses to create mass.
It is in the trying to prove that God, as a component of His being, does NOT have energy as one of those components that might indeed reveal that there is a high probability that He does, if it cannot be proved that energy is not a component of God.
In general why is not answerable. Why is God. Why is an electron? Why is you, or why are you. Why is an earthworm? Why is a neutron, and so on and so forth.
It is in whats, that answers exist, not in whys. What is God is answerable. What is an eletron is answerable. What are you is answerable. What is an earthworm is answerable. What is a neutron is answerable.
Why is Creation is not. Why sooner is not. Why later is not. Why are you using time, in an arena that time is normally not thought of in terms of earth time, thus sooner in your mind, nor later in your mind, is also interesting to me. In your view should God have done creation at all? Since it is here, why do you think it was done too late? What was done before Creation, that you say is not needed compared to creation?
You have said, why wait so long, if. That says, He made a mistake, Job, and you wish to call him on that mistake, or is it you are merely saying God would have done creation sooner, if matter and energy existed always, which is not what I have said.
I have noticed that you keep returning to these concepts of pre existing matter. I don't know why.
Simply, if God is what God is, and He is; then to have the capabilities, does not mean He has to do anything, sooner, or later, or at all.
I have capabilities. They do not force me to act now, or later, or even at all. Rather in my life, I actually let God direct me, either Biblically, or personally. Yes, I can refuse. The reasons for refusing God are Biblical, but for me, I other than laziness, use none of those, and even with laziness, He gets His Way, with me.
You keep throwing in words where none seem to be needed. It is now 'relies'. If God is energy also, then what He does with energy, is also what He does with Himself. You put that word here, and it does not fit in the context of God. That is a human word. I rely on things like God, my car, the air, my body, but I am none of those things.
With God to say, that God relies on God, makes sense but an entirely different sense then for me. I don't rely on me. God can rely on God and be God, because God is God. For me, I can rely on me, but all things in me are dependent upon God thus what I am can change from time to time depending upon what God has put into me, so I cannot say accurately that, I can rely in me, and be me, because me is me. I can't, because part of me, in the least is the breath of God as you said,, and God can withdraw his Spirit from me, as He has done to some poeple Biblically, thus causing their deaths, which then removes their reliance on their own selves.
I am not Gnostic. I was using someone else's words for this concept. I though gnostic meant also one who knows, and not one who belongs to the Gnostic Religion.
I know God because 'I' proved the Bible is Real, scientifically, and it talks about God. So, God is real, by scientific proof, but an esotreric and long one. The 'I' is there, because no one can do that, apart from God actually doing the work, and not me. It just seems like me to some others. It is not.
I know of the unknown and the unknown universe's existence, and casing but not entirely how that casing is created. All of this has been corroborated by The Roman Catholic Church.
I have used the words of others, for this, in talking. I am not a Gnostic, rather I have been given this information and rather pleasantly and more than nicely, in day time events, in broad daylight.
That is what I meant by gnostic theist. I know God is Real, and Trinitarian, by sight, and interactions with that power, plus was led to believe that if I used those words, you and others would understand, making this longer explanation, not needed.
I am proposing that God is capable to produce matter, and change that matter back to energy at will. God is capable. God has power, if you will.
If you still want to call me a gnostic, fine. Yet, I don't see how. In essence, I see God as God, and take totally the Biblical view that God is Spirit, thus maybe that means that within Spirit is contained all that God is, uncluding power, light, love, and energy maybe, but not matter. Nor maybe is energy contained withing God per se. Maybe all these things of which we are speaking of, is merely subsets of Spirit, but a Subset of His Spirit, not ours, nor yours nor mine, which Jesus warned his Apostles of using theirs, so I would say mine is similarly flawed compared to God.
Hi,
Can God hurt God? Can God destroy God? Can God be hurt by us? Does God have personhood? If personhood, can God have needs and want? Who is it that decided that God, cannot do something? Is it a human? Does it not say, Biblically God can not do evil? Or maybe it says Biblically God cannot lie?
Hi,
Maybe I will switch to using no Theological, nor Philosophical Words. I am thinking about doing that because others told me that because I know as opposed to believe, that is called gnostic, and not Gnosticism.
I am no Gnostic in the sense of agreeing with their views, as what I have heard of them so far, never seems to be Biblical enough, nor Trinitarian.
I used to do Semiconductor Research, and repair their equipment, and now a days, watch The Big Bang Theory trying to convince myself that no, I am not like Sheldon there. Yet, I fail at that, as in lots of ways, I am him and he is me.
I love your statement that energy could be created also. That is a possibliity, but if it is, then the use of that still fits with what I have said, and Scientists have confirmed by following the Genesis 1:28, ...subdue the earth... that section of the blessing by God was to do science, in Command format.
Also I do not say God is within creation as his entirety, rather it at this point in time, is hard to say that anything God makes does not have portion of Him in it, unless to use your words, Breath is nothing, but since nothing can only do nothing, and God's Breadth animated us, the breadth is something, and might have not only mass but energy.
Where does the idea that God is dependent upon nothing come from? Argh! This is getting out of control as I can't remember all your complex points. I am going above and talk there now.......
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .
