Can God Create An Object Too Heavy For Him To Lift?

[LittleLambofJesus]

I say yes He could... but only if He wants to.

LOL! Well what does that mean?

I would be happy to just be able to lift a mountain

Matthew 21:21
Answering the Jesus said to them, "Verily I am saying to ye, if ever ye may be having Faith and no ye may be doubting,
not only the of the fig-tree ye shall be doing, but even-ever to this mountain ye may saying, 'Be being lifted up! and be being cast! into the sea', it shall be becoming"[Hebrew 12:15,19/Revelation 8:8]

Hebrew 12:18
For not ye have come toward to being handled a mountain, having been kindled to fire
and to murkiness and to darkness and to tempest.
19 and a sound of a trumpet, and a voice of sayings, which those having heard did entreat that a word might not be added to them,

Reve 8:8
And the second Messenger trumpets and as-like a mountain, great to fire burning, was cast into the sea
and became the third of the sea blood [Matthew 21:21/Galatian 4:24, 25/Hebrew 12:18]

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[LittleLambofJesus]

True.

But later on, if he changed his mind and wanted to lift it, he could, because he is all powerful and can do whatever he wants.

Now that is worthy of it's own discussion thread me thinks...........

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/can-god-change-his-mind.7645984/

Omnipotence: the ability to do anything, without any constraints. All-powerful

Omniscience: knowing everything, past, present, future, near, and far. All-knowing

If you don't believe that the deity you worship doesn't have these qualities, then perhaps this topic isn't for you. For the same of simplicity, we'll use the placeholder name "God" to refer to this deity. Most believers in the Abrahamic faiths, and many other theists assign omnipotence and omniscience as characteristics of God.

Consider this:

If I am omniscient, I would even know what I will have for dinner tomorrow, correct? Let's say it's a hamburger.

If I'm omniscient, I would at least be able to change what I will eat tomorrow. Let's say I'd rather have spaghetti instead.

If I change what I eat tomorrow, then did I really know it was going to be a hamburger? Even if I would have known I was going to change my mind, then how could I actually know I was going to eat a hamburger tomorrow.

In order for me to know what I was going to eat tomorrow, I can't have the ability to change what it is.

I think this helps to illustrate that omniscience and omnipotence are incompatible attributes. Much like the immovable object and unstoppable force, they can't both exist, as the existence of one would negate the other. They are locigal incompatibilities -- the "round square", so to speak.

Would anyone be willing to consider that God knows a lot and/or can do a lot as opposed to being all-knowing and all-powerful?

 

[brinny]

God could never make a rock he couldn't lift?

how could God create anything that was "greater" than Himself, that in so many words "defeated" Him?

Thank you kindly.

 

[brinny]

I would be happy to just be able to lift a mountain

Matthew 21:21
Answering the Jesus said to them, "Verily I am saying to ye, if ever ye may be having Faith and no ye may be doubting,
not only the of the fig-tree ye shall be doing, but even-ever to this mountain ye may saying, 'Be being lifted up! and be being cast! into the sea', it shall be becoming"[Hebrew 12:15,19/Revelation 8:8]

Hebrew 12:18
For not ye have come toward to being handled a mountain, having been kindled to fire
and to murkiness and to darkness and to tempest.
19 and a sound of a trumpet, and a voice of sayings, which those having heard did entreat that a word might not be added to them,

Reve 8:8
And the second Messenger trumpets and as-like a mountain, great to fire burning, was cast into the sea
and became the third of the sea blood [Matthew 21:21/Galatian 4:24, 25/Hebrew 12:18]

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or "cast that mountain into the sea"?

 

[HitchSlap]

how could God create anything that was "greater" than Himself, that in so many words "defeated" Him?

Thank you kindly.

So, it would seem even god has his limits.

 

[brinny]

So, it would seem even god has his limits.

Nah, it appears the rock does.

Thank you kindly.

 

[Chicken Little]

yes it has a name too.
( put your name here )'s free wheels ( but that for about less than 1100 years at most ).

 

[HitchSlap]

Nah, it appears the rock does.

Thank you kindly.

Nah.

 

[brinny]

Nah.

well our "nah" is mutual then in that we disagree... cuz that "created" rock ain't got nuthin' on God (the Creator of it)

 

[HitchSlap]

well our "nah" is mutual then in that we disagree... cuz that "created" rock ain't got nuthin' on God (the Creator of it)

Right, because he'll be sure to keep it to a managable weight, because, you know, too heavy.

 

[brinny]

Right, because he'll be sure to keep it to a managable weight, because, you know, too heavy.

Yet God says: "Is ANYTHING too hard for me"?

Is He perhaps delusional and hasn't come to terms with His "limitations"? The question IS, does He have "limitations" and He just don't "know it"?

Well that actually brings up more questions, doesn't it, because then everything that He says He is would be brought into question, and that by "us", right? Finite beings?

Jus' askin'

 

[HitchSlap]

Yet God says: "Is ANYTHING too hard for me"?

Is He perhaps delusional and hasn't come to terms with His "limitations"? The question IS, does He have "limitations" and He just don't "know it"?

Well that actually brings up more questions, doesn't it, because then everything that He says He is would be brought into question, and that by "us", right? Finite beings?

Jus' askin'

The question, it seems, is how do you know what god "says?"

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The question, it seems, is how do you know what god "says?"

The same way the Jews do....The Bible......

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear-thou Yisra'el!--LORD, Elohiym of us, LORD one. [Mark 12:29]

Mark 12:29
JESUS answered him saying "that first of all the commandments 'be thou hearing! Israel, Lord, the God of us, Lord one is'". [Exodus 6:4]

 

[HitchSlap]

The same way the Jews do....The Bible......

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear-thou Yisra'el!--LORD, Elohiym of us, LORD one. [Mark 12:29]

Mark 12:29
JESUS answered him saying "that first of all the commandments 'be thou hearing! Israel, Lord, the God of us, Lord one is'". [Exodus 6:4]

That's what you say. But how do I really know?

 

[Pammalamma]

From a Christian standpoint, for me personally, I haven't been much experienced with controversy in a huge debate and this definitely stumped me. But as a Christian, if you were asked this, how would you respond in a manner that doesn't refute God in any way?

Can God create an object too heavy for Him to lift?

Jeremiah 32:17 says that "Nothing is too difficult" for God. It doesn't say nothing is "impossible" for God. It's impossible for God to do something against his nature, such as something that is evil or illogical. Therefore, the question is sort of nonsensical. God would not do anything illogical, so it's impossible for him to do something that is logically contradictory. It's not too difficult for God to do silly and illogical things, but it is impossible. Why? Because he would never do that, not even for internet trolls.

 

[Pammalamma]

Consider the definition of the word "lift," here.

From Merriam-Webster:

"lift"
transitive verb
1
a : to raise from a lower to a higher position : elevate

To cause something to go "higher," one must have a fixed frame of reference. But God cannot be put in a box, so there is no way for God to "lift" anything, from his perspective. He can move things so that they seem "lifted" to us, but to Him, it's just movement. Jesus was taken into Heaven from our perspective, but from God's perspective, was placed back on the throne at his right hand. So, I would argue that the question is pretty nonsensical. Nothing is bigger or stronger than God, by definition.

 

[brinny]

The question, it seems, is how do you know what god "says?"

It's in his Word. Would you care to know what verse it is?

Thank you kindly.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

LOL! Well what does that mean?

It means God can maybe momentarily limit His awesome power to but a fraction of His infinite potential. He doesn't have to be all-powerful, all the time....

 

[Chicken Little]

No matter how old it is still one of the stupidest rhetorical questions ever ask again and again and again..
God transcends all matter so it is goofiness to try and and-swerve this ..
So he could make a rock to big for him to lift but then he could turn it into something he can lift because he is outside of matter .
but he wouldn't do that anyway because he is not a genie and he works with in the laws he creates and gets no thrill out of Magic.
He describes himself as a builder and a potter and shepherd ... never a genie. because he works with in the laws of the objects of his affection to their glory.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

From a Christian standpoint, for me personally, I haven't been much experienced with controversy in a huge debate and this definitely stumped me. But as a Christian, if you were asked this, how would you respond in a manner that doesn't refute God in any way?

Can God create an object too heavy for Him to lift?

I would respond by first applying a little bit of 'Analytical Philosophy' and point out that the term 'to lift' is, in this context, a very anthropomorphic one, more suitable to statements made about human beings who live physically limited, mortal lives while stuck on a planet by the force of gravity. With this in mind, I would then suggest to the inquirer that the context suggests we ask a different, more appropriate (and sensible) question, SUCH AS: Can God become a man and thus be subject to human limitations involving gravity?

By George, I think God could do that!! [Please forgive my tongue-in-cheek approach, here. I did it merely for effect, but this is how I would respond...to what is otherwise a tiresome and outworn 'apologetics' question.]

ThanX
2PhiloVoid