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Can Faith Principles Work without a True Understanding of God?

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Thank You Granny,for your wisdom and respect for how you witness.

I completely understand the reason for research in translation due to Accidental gaps occurring.

In the Bible gaps are minor and contextual intent allows for accuracy in paraphrasing the meaning.

I am glad to see a new member posting I am looking forward to your posts.
 
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I have had instances where God has caused me great mental pain, but it was because I had things buried so deeply in me, that only a shock to really unsettle me would shake it loose. God has been my psychiatrist (through His Holy Spirit) for many years now, taking me from problem to problem and working through them with me.
Do you think God caused you great mental pain, or the things you buried caused you great mental pain? And then this pain caused you to allow God to help you deal with all the things you buried? :wave:
 
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I'm finally getting the hang of navigating the threads. I haven't answered your reply earlier because I was wanting to get my facts right before I responded.

I went to my Strong's Concordance to make sure what I thought faith and understanding are, were correct. Faith comes from the Greek word "pistis", which came from the root word, "peitho". Pistis is a noun meaning persuasion, ie credence, conviction. This wasn't clear to me, so I went to the verb, peitho, which it is derived from. Peitho means to convince, to pacify or conciliate, to evidence or authority, to rely (by inward consistency)--agree, assure, believe, have confidence, be confident, make fried, obey, persuade, trust, yield.

I then went back and read all of Hebrews 11 and noticed that all the examples that were given had actions attached. I surmised that this was probably what James meant when he said that faith without works is dead. I decided to see what Jesus said about faith. I only went into Matthew. In Matt 6:30 ..."will He not clothe you of little faith?" In Matt 8:10 He said, "Truly I say to you, I have not found such great faith with anyone in Israel." In Matt 9:29 He said, "It shall be done to you according to your faith." From Jesus' words there are degrees of faith. I surmise from this that I can have faith if I am believe that I can trust God--it may not be a great faith, but nevertheless it is faith.

After doing this, I went back to my Strong's Concordance again to study understand. Understand comes from the Hebrew word sakal which means to be circumspect and hence intelligence. I really wasn't sure what being circumspect was so I went to my Webster Dictionary and it said that it meant attentive to all circumstances of a case or the probable consequence of an action, cautious, prudent, wary.

Your quote from Jeremiah cannot be fully understood without also reading verse 23. Your version of the Bible translates the key word "glory", mine translates it "boast". Jeremiah was telling the wise man not to boast in being wise, the mighty man not to boast in being mighty, the rich man not to boast in being rich, but if they must boast then boast that they understand and know God. Boasting is a sign of pride. In this verse Jeremiah states only three things that God delights in, but there are also many more things that God delights in. This constitutes only partial understanding of God.

In my first reply, I stated that I had faith and I still believe that I did. I always knew that if I needed help or someone to listen to me I could trust God. Looking back on what my research shows, it certainly shows that I did NOT have a full understanding of God or I never would have put the things of the world before Him. When I returned to God, I thought that I was the seed that fell to the side and the thistles (cares of the world) overtook, but God made it very clear that I was the seed that had no roots. He has emphasized that without solid roots I cannot survive as a Christian.

I hope this makes clear where I am coming from in my perception of faith and understanding, and maybe we can agree to just disagree and let God decide. After all, the perceptions we have are derived from the baggage we carry from generational curses (even to the third and fourth generations), and life situations; and each of us are unique. I believe we will be judged in our uniqueness, because I read somewhere in the Bible, we will all be judged by what we believe. I can agree that little faith has little understanding and great faith and great faith has great understanding, but I still believe that we as finite beings cannot understand an infinite God until we see Him face to face.

Yours in Christ,
Thelma

Hi Thelma

I have read your post and I suppose, for the sake of love and fellowship, we will have to agree to disagree. Just your "understanding" (no pun intended) of Jeremiah 9 shows that you and I may never really come to an agreement of what God is saying there. Personally I believe that you are putting your personal spin on that but then you might accuse me of either the same thing or taking it too literally or verbatim.

Nonetheless, I do appreciate your contribution to this thread. Blessings to you dear.
 
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That's a very good point. You have to have some kind of understanding of who God is to effectively serve Him. Luke warm people serve Him not really knowing who He is or why they serve Him, without knowing what He does or would do and what He doesn't/wouldn't do etc. They are like the ones that Jesus described when He talked about the ones who's seed falls on shallow ground and get blown away with the wind verses those who's seed have deep roots and when the wind comes they can't be uprooted. :)

Exactly. BTW, I used that passage that you are referring to in conjunction with this teaching this past Sunday.
 
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Do you think God caused you great mental pain, or the things you buried, caused you great mental pain? And then this pain caused you to allow God to help you deal with all the things you buried?:wave:

Excellent questions.
 
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Hi Thelma

I have read your post and I suppose, for the sake of love and fellowship, we will have to agree to disagree. Just your "understanding" (no pun intended) of Jeremiah 9 shows that you and I may never really come to an agreement of what God is saying there. Personally I believe that you are putting your personal spin on that but then you might accuse me of either the same thing or taking it too literally or verbatim.

Nonetheless, I do appreciate your contribution to this thread. Blessings to you dear.

Now... that's how ya do it... "for the sake of Love and fellowship."

Granny is in the house. Keep it up girl...
 
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Do you think God caused you great mental pain, or the things you buried caused you great mental pain? And then this pain caused you to allow God to help you deal with all the things you buried? :wave:

Way to go Truthfrees. You beat me to the punch...

 
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you all did a fine job of answering the op. but i have a view i wonder whether or not you have ever considered.

Can Faith Principles Work without a True Understanding of God?

to my understanding faith is a universal concept. i can believe that ever fall i always get a cold and you know what every fall for some reason i end up with a cold. do i need to understand God in order to make this concept true? i can believe that if i see a doctor because of a medical condition that i will be fine afterwards. does this require me to have a true understanding of God to make this concept true too?

also faith is just like a positive attitude. it is proven that you take the concepts written in the bible and apply them to daily life that our lives can be improved. in order to read the bible do you need to believe in God? i know many people who do not believe in God but read the bible for the good stories, to help them debate the concepts of the bible, and ect.

as grannie2shoes stated earlier on defining what faith is i though was well done. but that meaning can be used more than one way. it all comes down to how you look at a thing that allows you to see a thing from different directions. this is how scientists work for example. christians need to be flexible too or they can miss a lot important stuff too. religious traditions start because people get too stuck in their ways without being flexible and trying to look at things from different perspectives.

God bless
 
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I remember the enemy hitting me in the early days about God really being on my side or not. IF you believe He puts cancer on you, then He's not for you.

He does permit stuff just because the enemy is given some space depending on how you and those around you actually honor God or give place to the devil. But they say what the devil meant for bad, God has a plan for. So that's being for you.

Incidentally, it's hard to ask a question about faith here in WOF and say it's OK for non-WOF to teach because it's not permitted here. You can ask the question again in the Spirit Filled section. You'll get all kinds of answers. Some of them are good, but inevitably you'll find someone who thinks your cancer might be "thorn" you're permitted to endure to keep you humble.

It's hard to imagine Jesus ministering and having Him send someone away with cancer because it's their thorn. He preached Isaiah 61 and the people responded to the good news of the gospel of the kingdom. If you entertain doubts, then be careful not to let a stronghold develop and receive it.
 
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