Originally posted by Warrior FC
Reformationist....What exactly does the title reformationist mean?
I've heard of it many times but am curious to the understanding of it?
Originally posted by Reformationist
That's a very good point. And, amazing as you might think it, I agree. Truly having a relationship with our Creator and Savior is much different than "knowing Scripture." I think one of the places you and I differ is that I believe God must literally change us, rebirth us into a new creation, before we will ever desire to have a relationship with Him. And, as difficult as it is for some people to accept, God does not rebirth everyone.
God bless
Originally posted by jayemcintyre
That would be to say that all men are not equal and I know the Bible says that all men are equal, I cannot remember where, sorry, but I do know it says it.
It also says in Mark 16:15
Go everywhere in the world and tell the Good News to everyone.
Why would we be told to tell everyone if we weren't all to be called. If it were only some of us then surely the command would be to go and tell those who God pointed out to you.
I am intrigued, and I am not saying you are wrong, only that I find it hard to believe, so where in scripture does it say that only some will be called and saved?
So the unbelievers are made like beasts, born only to perish.(2 Peter 2:12) But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
Would God really send a delusion to those he wants to be saved?(2 Thessalonians 2:11)For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
Originally posted by jayemcintyre
I have had this discussion with a few people but to be honest I am still confused.
Can a Christian lose there salvation? For instance, say someone is a Christian for 20 years but then loses that love and belief in Jesus, would they still be saved? I think no, but what do you think?
Your sister in Christ
Jay
Eph writes...
Well not to post an entire sermon here but...IF a person no longer FAITHS Jesus Christ as their savior....Then the answer is clear..!
He is the author and finisher of our faith..So as long as you get up and STILL "faith" that Jesus IS who he claimed to be...You have assurance...!
If on the other hand you wake up and decide that .....Jesus isn't who he said he was...and then you go worship Buddah or Mohammad the rest of your life...I'd have to say you'd better drink lots of water while you still can...! LOL
What WE as Christians know is HE will never be the one to break that "faith connection" with us...! That doesn't mean WE can't break it with him..!
Originally posted by Warrior FC
God desires ALL to be saved!
Hell was not even created for us, it was created for satan and the demonic forces, principalities of darkness, fallen angels.
God does call us out of the darkness by His Holy Spirit but it is still up to us to accept Him in our lives.....
Originally posted by Warrior FC
Hell was not even created for us, it was created for satan and the demonic forces, principalities of darkness, fallen angels.
Originally posted by Warrior FC
Matthew 25:41
Then He will also say to those on His left, Depart from me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire WHICH HAS BEEN PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS.
2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but CAST THEM INTO HELL AND COMITTED THEM TO PITS OF DARKNESS, RESERVED FOR JUDGEMENT.
Hell was not originally designed for us!
Originally posted by Job_38
Please show me where it says this. And quoting John 3:16 does not support your view, because what in reading that verse to say all have been called, you would have to apply that to the every other verse that every says world, all, or anything of that nature.
Originally posted by Reformationist
I would agree that hell is not designed ONLY for us.. I definitely think that hell was a place that God had always planned to send the unregenerate.
God bless
Eph writes...
First you ask what he based this on...and then when he takes the time to answer..and he gives you the verses to check...The best you can do is then turn it around and say ......"that you would agree that hell is not designed ONLY for us"..!
((( Originally posted by Warrior FC
Hell was not even created for us, it was created for satan and the demonic forces, principalities of darkness, fallen angels.
Huh? What do you base this on? ))))
Talk about not saying ..."hey thank you for that verse....I now know something I didn't know before"...
BTW...He made hell... for Satan and his fallen angels..It wasn't something he "planned"... ahead of time...This place was made AFTER Lucifer rebelled...
So it's not ever for US..or the "regenerate"...it was made for Lucifer ( who's name was changed to satan )...and his buddies...GOD doesn't send anyone human there..they send themselves there by rejecting his free gift of salvation...!
Oh...ya don't have to thank me either for the extra credit material I gave ya...it's free...!
Originally posted by Reformationist
John 10:2-4
But He who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To Him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear His voice; and He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. And when He brings out His own sheep, He goes before them; and the sheep follow Him, for they know His voice.
John 10:26-28
But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
The sheep of God are known by God, hear God's voice, and follow God. These are not "maybe" statements. They are statements of fact. The sheep of God are foreknown and specifically called.
So, take comfort that if you're saved it's because God loved you specifically and ensured your specific salvation.
God bless
Originally posted by EPHRIAM777
Oh...ya don't have to thank me either for the extra credit material I gave ya...it's free...!
Originally posted by jayemcintyre
These quotes only show that God knows the people He calls, not that he calls only a select few.
Also, if this is what you believe how can you have any assurance in your own salvation?
Jaye, consider this logically. God created all things created right? Regardless of a person's salvitic disposition with God, it's pretty clear to Christians that God created all people. So, obviously, God knows all people. However, that's not what that verse means. It means that God had an intimate loving relationship with every one of His elect before the foundation of the world. "Knew" means a lot more than "knew about."
Saying that God knew who would be saved, because he knew who would come to faith in him. The problem with this the English word foreknew doesn't get the whole point across. The greek word has a little bit more meaning to it than just, to know before hand. It does mean that in a sense, but it also it more aptly means to know intamately. Yes God knew everyone before he created anything, but he chose to know a select few more intamately. Making them His elect for salvation.(Romans 8:29)For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
Originally posted by jayemcintyre
however there is nothing to stop God knowing each and every person on this earth throughout all of history.
What is to say that we are not all the elect, as I truly believe it is.
Originally posted by new2calvin
I can see that your probably making reference to this verse.
Saying that God knew who would be saved, because he knew who would come to faith in him. The problem with this the English word foreknew doesn't get the whole point across. The greek word has a little bit more meaning to it than just, to know before hand. It does mean that in a sense, but it also it more aptly means to know intamately. Yes God knew everyone before he created anything, but he chose to know a select few more intamately. Making them His elect for salvation.
First, what do you think the result of being one of God's elect is? And second, do you believe all people will be saved?
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