Can Christianity survive without the Pope?

[Woldeyesus]

Obviously Christ is the head of the Church.

Who did he give the keys to the Kingdom to?

Who has the authority to speak for Christ on earth?

Do you? You seem to be claiming that authority.

The primary definition of "Christ as head of the church" is not found in the Epistles themselves but in the once acknowledged exclusive source of "sound doctrine", i.e., the gospel (1 Tim. 1: 10-11) wherein the church is defined as Christ himself in his divine identity and absolute authority demonstrable once and for all in his death on the cross, viz.: the encore of Paul's Epistles!

Jesus gave "the keys of the Kingdom" or "the knowledge about the secrets of the Kingdom of heaven" exclusively to his disciples: past, present and future (Matt. 13: 11-12).

No one at all received any authority to speak for Christ on earth other than the knowhow of his self-revelation so he would be personally known, teach, baptize and make his own disciples (Matt. 28: 18-20).

As the prophets wrote and Jesus confirmed, "Everyone will be taught by God" personally (Isa. 54:13; John 6:45) AMEN.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The primary definition of "Christ as head of the church" is not found in the Epistles themselves but in the once acknowledged exclusive source of "sound doctrine", i.e., the gospel (1 Tim. 1: 10-11) wherein the church is defined as Christ himself in his divine identity and absolute authority demonstrable once and for all in his death on the cross, viz.: the encore of Paul's Epistles!

Jesus gave "the keys of the Kingdom" or "the knowledge about the secrets of the Kingdom of heaven" exclusively to his disciples: past, present and future (Matt. 13: 11-12).

No one at all received any authority to speak for Christ on earth other than the knowhow of his self-revelation so he would be personally known, teach, baptize and make his own disciples (Matt. 28: 18-20).

As the prophets wrote and Jesus confirmed, "Everyone will be taught by God" personally (Isa. 54:13; John 6:45) AMEN.

Thank you for your post

Btw, which option in the poll would you vote on? Thanks

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

ONLY the Pope is created in the image of God?? strange statement to say the at least *scratches head*... The Bible is NOT made in the image but is regardless the word of God written by men who are created in the image of God...*
So again men are all important


I am afraid both are wrong for sure but having the Patriarch of Rome as the only Despote of the Church is not exactly a "dogma" that can be easily supported historically... So... if you have 5 Patriarchates (Antioch, Jerusalem, Rome, Alexandria and Constantinople) and ONE Patriarch denying to join the other 4 why is He the one who is "superior" to the others? Since from the beginning all Apostles were not equal? Furthermore why would the Patriarch of Rome made into an infallable Patriarch while all others (who were as prominent) are lessen to him? Is only the Pope "imago deo"? That comes in contradicition to all men created equal. Christ cannot have a "representative" on earth or then Christ is replaced and that cannot be. The seat of Christ is for Christ alone and no one in heaven or on earth can replace Him. The body of the Church always knew that thus the creation of councils... If ONE Patriarch was enough there would be no need for the Church to convey Councils

Where is the wrong in the Bible? You mean wrong interpretation maybe ??

The bible cannot be an instument of "wrong" maybe fallible people who interpret it can be off ....and thus lead others astray...That can be hapenning and true to our days and throught christian history. Many were lost as they did indeed "mixed" the message with other religions etc. And indeed the Church did hold the faith as the community of the faithful did come to terms with heresies such as Arius etc.

Good post sis!

 

[Optimax]

The Church has not just survived but flourished without the Pope since the resurrection.

The Church has not just survived but flourished without the Pope up to the time this thread was started.

The Church has not just survived but flourished without the Pope since this thread was started until today.

The Church will continue to flourish without the Pope until Jesus comes to get His Body which is The Church.

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

Good answer, Optimax.

 

[BrendanMark]

Seems to me there has been at least one Pope, sometimes two or three, since the earliest days.

Unfortunately, there is only one Church, with as much historical reality as its Founder, and we cannot appeal to some better, ideal Church against the inadequacies and offences of the Church as it is. Unfortunately, we can only get hold of the ideal Church in the empirical Church. We have access to usage only in ill-usage, ab-use, which cannot be abolished but must be improved so that it can become credible and usable once again.
von Balthasar, Hans Urs – Truth is Symphonic [Ignatius Press 1972, trans. Harrison, Graham1987, p 75]

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Church has not just survived but flourished without the Pope since the resurrection.

The Church has not just survived but flourished without the Popeup to the time this thread was started.

The Church has not just survived but flourished without the Pope since this thread was started until today.

The Church will continue to flourish without the Pope until Jesus comes to get His Body which is The Church.

Which Church are you talking about?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Prophetic fulfillment of the age of kings .

you do know that instituting a king was an act of rebellion right?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Prophetic fulfillment of the age of kings .
you do know that instituting a king was an act of rebellion right?

I think they had more bad kings than good ones

NKJV) 1 Samuel 8:1 Now it came to pass when Samuel was old that he made his sons judges over Israel.
2 The name of his firstborn was Joel, and the name of his second, Abijah; [they were] judges in Beersheba.
3 But his sons did not walk in his ways; they turned aside after dishonest gain, took bribes, and perverted justice.
4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah,
5 and said to him, "Look, you are old, and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now make us a king to judge us like all the nations."
6 But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, "Give us a king to judge us." So Samuel prayed to the LORD.
7 And the LORD said to Samuel, "Heed the voice of the people in all that they say to you; for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them.

 

[Sieben]

I answered yes and double yes

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Michael Collum Prophetic fulfillment of the age of kings .
you do know that instituting a king was an act of rebellion right?

I think they had more bad kings than good ones

Just like a lot of the kings of Israel and Judah were bad boys , from what I understand, the RCC also had it's share of bad boy popes

Top 10 Most Wicked Popes
Top 10 evil popes

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I answered yes and double yes

Thank you for responding