Can ChatGPT interpret speaking in tongues?

[ARBITER01]

No, Peter spoke once in Aramaic and everyone simultaneously heard it in their own language.

Does the text say that?

 

[RDKirk]

Does the text say that?

Yes.

 

[johansen]

There are only two ways in scripture that the gift of tongues operates,...

- Personal prayer and personal edification.

- Corporate speaking by The Holy Spirit in the local assembly for corporate edification and inspiration.

That's it.

It is a very basic gift that requires the gift of interpretation to understand it.

Paul seems to have plenty of verses that suggest both are legitamate, and i'm supprised to see how many here disagree with Paul when he plainly differentiates between those who speak in tongues for the edification of the church (but that can only happen with an interpreter)
and those who pray in tongues for the edification of theselves.

and when that happens, the mind is unfruitful, so Paul claims to pray with his mind (presumably in his native language) --while his spirit is praying in tongues.

personally, i tend to think Paul was a bit on the dissociative identity disorder spectrum and that's why he thinks that when he sins, its the sin that is in him that sins not him. -it would also explain being able to pray in tongues while at the same time praying in native language.

in other words... take it all with a pound of saul. sorry, salt.

 

[johansen]

None of that would ever happen in a traditional Liturgical church

sure, but that's also a no true scotsman argument.

Lets break down the possibilities:
The woman i spoke of has a demon speaking through her, and the decon/elder was correct.
Why then did he not cast it out of her? or follow up privately later to say hello... you're confused. stop letting this entity speak through you?

Why then did he heed the warning and buy a half dozen fire extinguishers?

Suppose she did speak in "a" language and the spiritual interpretation was provided to the Elder, and just like several in the bible who were informed they are going to hell, he lies to the congregation to get the woman out of his church.. (knowing what was spoken was most likely specifically.. just for him!)

either way, we know the elder did privately speak the interpretation and miss interprets it and chooses to act on his misinterpretation.
-this was about 14 years ago now, the church has not burned down yet.

cowards exist in all congregations. so don't say, that would never happen in mine.

 

[ARBITER01]

Yes.

Which verse are you talking about?

 

[ARBITER01]

Paul seems to have plenty of verses that suggest both are legitamate, and i'm supprised to see how many here disagree with Paul when he plainly differentiates between those who speak in tongues for the edification of the church (but that can only happen with an interpreter)
and those who pray in tongues for the edification of theselves.

and when that happens, the mind is unfruitful, so Paul claims to pray with his mind (presumably in his native language) --while his spirit is praying in tongues.

Correct.

I can talk in my mind to Jesus while I also pray by my spirit out loud. It's quite easy.

 

[johansen]

I can talk in my mind to Jesus while I also pray by my spirit out loud. It's quite easy.

can you speak in tongues out loud or in your mind, at the same time as having a conversation with someone, in the mind or outloud?

personally i cannot, i can't even imagine being able to do that.

 

[ARBITER01]

can you speak in tongues out loud or in your mind, at the same time as having a conversation with someone, in the mind or outloud?

personally i cannot, i can't even imagine being able to do that.

The gift of tongues in personal use is prayer, so that is always between GOD and I, so I wouldn't be trying to do that around another person.

EDIT: GOD can interject His thoughts and revelation while I may be talking to someone. That always tends to happen with me.

 

[johansen]

The gift of tongues in personal use is prayer, so that is always between GOD and I, so I wouldn't be trying to do that around another person.

you didn't answer the question, i included that option in my question.

so, lets try again.
can you speak in tongues in prayer to God while at the same time speaking in english to someone else, or to God, AT the same Time.

 

[ARBITER01]

you didn't answer the question, i included that option in my question.

so, lets try again.
can you speak in tongues in prayer to God while at the same time speaking in english to someone else, or to God, AT the same Time.

No.

Tongues arises from my human spirit, so I voice that from my mouth, not my mind.

 

[JulieB67]

There are only two ways in scripture that the gift of tongues operates,...

- Personal prayer and personal edification.

Paul makes a point that it would be unfruitful to pray in this manner. We need to understand what we are praying about.

As for the church-

I Corinthians 14:9 "So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air."

Interpreters are needed for languages that are not known to the congregation. But they would be known of course to the interpreter. This whole chapter is mainly about common sense in edifying the church and how languages play into that. And other gifts being more profitable at times if it edifies the church.

It's not just jibberish sounds coming out of your mouth. Tongues in the Greek is still a language.

 

[Rose_bud]

Paul makes a point that it would be unfruitful to pray in this manner. We need to understand what we are praying about.


As for the church-

I Corinthians 14:9 "So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air."

Interpreters are needed for languages that are not known to the congregation. But they would be known of course to the interpreter. This whole chapter is mainly about common sense in edifying the church and how languages play into that. And other gifts being more profitable at times if it edifies the church.

It's not just jibberish sounds coming out of your mouth. Tongues in the Greek is still a language.

Yes, There are times when we know exactly what we're praying about, but often we don't know what we should pray or how to express our deepest longings, hurts and pains. In those moments, known words can feel and be inadequate. Yet, God provides a gift that allows us to express ourselves in a way that transcends words, speaking directly to Him in a language that may not be understood by others, but is understood by Him. 1 Corinthians 14:2

There are two distinct things Paul mentions in the chapter, speaking in tongues, which is a personal, intimate communication with God that only He understands, and prophecy, which is a form of divine inspiration that conveys a message in a known language, either directly or through interpretation, allowing others to understand.

What Paul is instructing the Corinthians is on how to exercise these spiritual gifts in a orderly and beneficial way, so that everyone in the church can be edified.

I don't believe Paul is saying that tongues are known languages, but rather his providing guidelines for how to use spiritual gifts in a way that benefits everyone, including unbelievers who might be present. He's concerned with creating an environment where outsiders can understand and be edified, which is always Paul's modus operandi- others.
Hes not restricting the use of tongues for personal, private devotion and prayer to God but the manner it is excercised in a corporate setting.

When we read Corinthians, we expect order which there should be, but ecstasy was not uncommon in the OT. To me, Paul isn't saying don't prophecy or don't speak in tongues. What comes to mind when I try to understand what Paul's reference for prophecy may have been is that he may have been trying to prohibit excessive or uncontrolled expressions, like the one in 1 Samuel 19:24. (rather weird for us now, but not uncommon for that context)

Another aspect that isn't always discussed is the dynamic between those who believe in and operate in spiritual gifts, and those who don't - even within the church. For someone who isn't familiar with gifts like speaking in tongues, it can seem unusual or uncomfortable. However, when believers from similar faith traditions who understand and practice these gifts come together, they is a space created where their is freedom to express themselves without needing interpretation. They know that the prayer isn't directed at them, but rather is a personal expression to God, and they make room for this type of worship. It may not be a Sunday service but a gathering for prayer.

 

[JulieB67]

. Yet, God provides a gift that allows us to express ourselves in a way that transcends words, speaking directly to Him in a language that may not be understood by others, but is understood by Him. 1 Corinthians 14:2

God is the heart and mind knower. He doesn't need for us to pray to him in a language not known to us. Christ taught us how to pray. And God provides for the needs not spoken because he does know our hearts and minds.

Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit Itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Romans 8:27 "And He That searcheth the hearts because He maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God."

He searches our hearts/minds. He doesn't even need someone to speak or utter something. He knows.

When someone speaks in tongues according to you, is it the same pattern, sounds etc? Meaning is it an actual language? Because that is what tongues means -languages. Because if it's different every time, I would be highly suspicious, no offense. It shouldn't have to change, it should be the same language.
And as someone mentioned on another thread, why is it that 3 different interpreters can come up with 3 different meanings coming from the same person?

but a gathering for prayer.

And again, Christ taught us to pray and he would even rather we pray in secret, not so that everyone can see us, etc.

I don't believe Paul is saying that tongues are known languages,

I believe he is. And I believe he could speak more than one language. Another reason he was sent out to teach abroad, etc. We certainly don't hear any of the other disciples or apostles speaking on this matter other than Peter talking about the pentecostal tongue.

Hes not restricting the use of tongues for personal, private devotion and prayer to God

I just think he's making the point that it would not be useful for someone to even pray in an unknown language that they did not understand.

However, when believers from similar faith traditions who understand and practice these gifts come together, they is a space created where their is freedom to express themselves without needing interpretation.

So you all have your own "secret" language? How does interpretation work then if one is needed in a church setting?

And again, is it the same language or is it always different when you do it? Because that would make interpretation pretty tricky as well if it changes up every time.

Sorry, it just doesn't make sense to me nor do I believe that's what Paul is talking about.

 

[ARBITER01]

Paul makes a point that it would be unfruitful to pray in this manner. We need to understand what we are praying about.


As for the church-

I Corinthians 14:9 "So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air."

Interpreters are needed for languages that are not known to the congregation. But they would be known of course to the interpreter. This whole chapter is mainly about common sense in edifying the church and how languages play into that. And other gifts being more profitable at times if it edifies the church.

It's not just jibberish sounds coming out of your mouth. Tongues in the Greek is still a language.

My prayer language is between GOD and I. Always has been. I don't pray in front of people.

Also, when praying in this manner GOD can be praying through me for things that I really wouldn't understand that are either coming my way or someone else's way. I just follow through in faith.

Faith is still a factor when operating in the gifts.

 

[Richard T]

I don’t understand why people can’t sing one of the very many beautiful hymns composed for Christian worship over the last 1,400-1,992 years, or for that matter, the Psalms and Evangelical Canticles.*

Singing incomprehensible non-verbal repetitive patterns when one has such a compelling heritage of Christian worship music in continuous use since time immemorial (in many cases we are not sure exactly how old these hymns are but have only an approximate idea or understanding of when they appeared) just seems wrong. Of course I say the same thing about the use of praise and worship music or Christian rock music, which just strikes me as entirely wrong.

*For example,the Trisagion, Ho Monogenes, Te Deum Laudamus (a favorite of my friend @MarkRohfrietsch ), Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silent, Gloria in Excelsis Deo, Agnus Dei, Phos Hilarion, Haw Nurone (a Syriac Orthodox hymn that is perhaps my favorite due to its Eucharistic content), the Cherubic Hymn, It Is Truly Meet, and All of Creation are all hymns that are on average about 1500 years old (some newer, some older) and most of which exist in several (by which I mean hundreds) of settings), actually, technically one could argue Gloria in Excelsis Deo, Agnus Dei and the Sanctus could fall into the category of evangelical canticles insofar as their content is taken directly from the Gospel text, but the three definite evangelical canticles the Benedictus, Magnificat and the Nunc Dimitis )also known as the Song of Symeon). These together with the Psalms, particularly some Psalms such as Jubilate Deo and Psalms 94, 95, 96, 102, 103 and 106 and Psalms 147, 148, 149 and 150 are extremely heavily used in Christian worship, along with the Old Testament canticles (which include two songs of Moses (the one from Deuteronomy being highly penitential), the song of Habbakuk, Benedicite Omni Opera and a few others, for example the Songs of the Suffering Servent, which are Christological prophecies from Isaiah).

Yes, nothing wrong with old hymns. Many are far better than some contemporary worship music. I like the Psalm though too that says sing to the Lord a new song. That pretty much is going to happen with tongues. Also, while those singing in tongues can consciously form the melody with the Holy Spirit giving the words if they so desire to. I think the point often is that tongues whether speaking or singing, frees up the mind to completely focus on God without the need of lyrics or even much thought at all.
As Jude says "Building yourself up on your most Holy Faith, praying in the Holy Spirit." there is something supernatural that goes on in the experience.

 

[Richard T]

Christian Forums just gets weirder by the month. LOL; Tongues, as defined by charismatics, are anti-scriptural.

If such did happen in one of our Churches, we do have a process, it is called Exorcism.

Of course it has always been a topic that concerns many. While some charismatics might seem errant, their fruits (both Catholic and Protestants) are hard to ignore. Most show growth rates, not declines and they are very active and have tremendous growth in missions.

 

[Rose_bud]

God is the heart and mind knower. He doesn't need for us to pray to him in a language not known to us. Christ taught us how to pray. And God provides for the needs not spoken because he does know our hearts and minds.

Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit Itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Romans 8:27 "And He That searcheth the hearts because He maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God."

He searches our hearts/minds. He doesn't even need someone to speak or utter something. He knows.

Of course, He is the heart and mind knower. And how intriguing that God, who knows all things about us, still prays for us? Why would the Spirit of God, or even Jesus Himself, "need" to pray? Yet, He does. And he has given us a gift to speak to Him that transcends our limited understanding. Christ taught us to pray, but there's a dynamic to prayer that we just can't fathom. Even in prayer, some variables work together that we do not understand. At what point do heavenly beings intervene in answer to our prayers? Why does God sometimes provide immediate answers, and other times there appears to be a delay? Why answer at all? I know it's convenient and easier to put these aspects in a neat little box when we say "Our Father," but there are unknown variables – and I'm okay with that.

When someone speaks in tongues according to you, is it the same pattern, sounds etc? Meaning is it an actual language? Because that is what tongues means -languages. Because if it's different every time, I would be highly suspicious, no offense. It shouldn't have to change, it should be the same language.
And as someone mentioned on another thread, why is it that 3 different interpreters can come up with 3 different meanings coming from the same person?

You're looking for a logical consistency in speaking in tongues, expecting it to follow a specific pattern or be a single, identifiable language. But the nature of speaking in tongues is often more spiritual and experiential. It's not necessarily about speaking a specific language, but rather about expressing oneself to God in a way that transcends words. Paul, at one instance, described it as speaking in "tongues of angels," so it's not limited to human languages, spiritual in nature. As for why 3 different interpretations, I don't know, this has not been my experience. Paul does say that if there is no interpreter, to keep quiet in the church gathering, but he adds, "speak to yourself and God." There is order, but also the personal aspect of speaking in tongues.

And again, Christ taught us to pray and he would even rather we pray in secret, not so that everyone can see us, etc.

I do agree Jesus taught us to pray in secret. But we also pray in community, we also pray with groans, sometimes with tears, and sometimes even with only our lips moving, sometimes even in silence. And so too in a spiritual language.

I believe he is. And I believe he could speak more than one language. Another reason he was sent out to teach abroad, etc. We certainly don't hear any of the other disciples or apostles speaking on this matter other than Peter talking about the pentecostal tongue.

Paul's ability to speak multiple languages was certainly an asset in his ministry, and he likely spoke several languages. But, when he discusses speaking in tongues, he's referring to a spiritual gift that surpasses human languages. This is evident when he mentions praying in a tongue where his mind is unfruitful - a scenario that wouldn't occur with a known language, like Aramaic or Greek. He also notes that he speaks in tongues more than others, enabling him to communicate with God in a way that transcends words.
Paul consistently mentions that he doesn't rely on his human abilities to accomplish God's work. Instead, he counts his achievements and credentials as worthless, relying on the Spirit for spiritual gifts. Yes, his background may have provided opportunities, but he emphasizes that his speaking in tongues was a spiritual gift, distinct from known languages. I'll add that the absence of a topic in one apostle's writings doesn't necessarily imply its insignificance, as each writer had their own focus and audience.

I just think he's making the point that it would not be useful for someone to even pray in an unknown language that they did not understand.

I disagree, it's a spiritual gift, implying a level of divine activity, spoken to God, who understands. It can be hard for some to accept.

So you all have your own "secret" language? How does interpretation work then if one is needed in a church setting?

And again, is it the same language or is it always different when you do it? Because that would make interpretation pretty tricky as well if it changes up every time.

Sorry, it just doesn't make sense to me nor do I believe that's what Paul is talking about.

Speaking in tongues is a gift exercised in private or public. Paul was saying the public requires interpretation, which is also a gift. It's not about deciphering the language but understanding the spiritual message being conveyed. It's ok if you don't understand it this way, but many do and have experienced it this way. I'd be cautious to dismiss it outright because it doesn't make sense to you in the same way, as it devalues what has been a significant part of people's spiritual lives and their relationship with God.

 

[ARBITER01]

Of course it has always been a topic that concerns many. While some charismatics might seem errant, their fruits (both Catholic and Protestants) are hard to ignore. Most show growth rates, not declines and they are very active and have tremendous growth in missions.

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