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And where there is not faith, there will not be understanding.
But I appreciate your contributions to this thread. You are particularly good at explaining things in an educational sort of way!
So anyone who gotten covid 19 in those churches, cannot be because of that reason, but must be because of some other reason?
How do you know that to be true?
If the spoon became infected as a result of the disease, it would have infected anyone who partook who had not acquired immunity to the virus and would have been identified by the CDC as a source of an outbreak. This simply did not happen. This is because the spoon contained the Body and Blood of Christ, which cannot harm us, and not bread and wine.
You missed the whole point of our friends post: "This is because the spoon contained the Body and Blood of Christ, which cannot harm us, and not bread and wine."You have a very interesting logic there, even if your reasoning is somehow valid, the fact that you use CDC means you are only restricting it to churches within the USA.
But whatever floats your boat.
You missed the whole point of our friends post: "This is because the spoon contained the Body and Blood of Christ, which cannot harm us, and not bread and wine."
It is not because of science, it is because of what it is.
I Corinthians 14:15 "What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."not edification of our mind.
I Corinthians 14:15 "What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."
He continues..
Corinthians 14:16 "Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say "Amen" at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayeth?"
I Corinthians 14:17 "For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified."
This is all about going into a church and speaking and praying in a different language that those do not understand. It's not edifying (building up) the church.
I Corinthians 14:18 "I thank my God, I speak with tongues (languages in the Greek) more than ye all:"
Paul could speak more than one language
I Corinthians 14:19 "Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue."
And then we come full circle to his main point.
From what I understand, Pentecostalism was founded by Methodists in the early 1900s.Perhaps I'm too pragmatic. But I ask questions like, why did this take until the 20th century to become a thing? As far as I know between Acts and the 19th century it's not spoken of in any church writings and records. At least as far as the Pentacostal spirit prayer language adaptation goes.
Yes it was founded by Charles Fox Parham who was a Methodist in 1900. I believe Pentecostals consider Methodists a kindred denomonation. I've only been to one Methodist service as I recall, and what stood out to me is it was more liturgical.From what I understand, Pentecostalism was founded by Methodists in the early 1900s.
Charismatic is more of an umbrella term where Pentecostal practices have influenced other Christian Churches.
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.
Yeah, since Methodism was founded by an Anglican priest and his brother, John and Charles Wesley. I think some are liturgical where some are more contemporary.Yes it was founded by Charles Fox Parham who was a Methodist in 1900. I believe Pentecostals consider Methodists a kindred denomonation. I've only been to one Methodist service as I recall, and what stood out to me is it was more liturgical.
From what I understand, Pentecostalism was founded by Methodists in the early 1900s.
Charismatic is more of an umbrella term where Pentecostal practices have influenced other Christian Churches.
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.
Yes! I think I remember reading that but my memory must be rusty! Thanks for the info!At Azusa Street, the people there were a branch of a holiness movement, which later became known at Pentecostal when The Holy Spirit was outpoured there.
Faith in the words of our Lord, it is about neither logic nor science. What do the Bible say about human wisdom and reason? It is folly.It has nothing to do with science.
It is about the logic of his reasoning.
I was raised Pentecostal Holiness and witnessed my mom 'speaking in tongues' on a number of occasions.
The most grace oriented preachers I have ever heard are charismatic. Pentecostal holiness folks might leave a sort of works mentality. As to OSAS, I knew Church of God (cleveland, TN) had doctrine that one could lose theiri salvation. Assembly of God leans that way too, though the wikipedia section on them is incorrect on them in that regards. Charismatics are more split. Many do come from Southern Baptist backgrounds so I think those retain the OSAS. I don't see much doctrinal differences other than the tongues stuff and perhaps the word of faith movement with the P/C is probably another doctrine that is different for some P/C. Some don't preach enough of the conditions and motives for faith to work. That it is not a formula, faith in our faith, or faith for what one does not know God's will for. Many though in my opinion handle the message well, even though it sometimes is rarely fully walked in. The same can be said of holiness. Wesley preached and wrote :The Art of Christian Perfection." I actually like that high goalpost. Though nearly all fail, the goal is just. many WOF fail in obtaining at least some of the promises of God, but should that annul the message?Also decision theology, OSAS, legalism, works righteousness, Some, most or all seem to be part of assemblies that hold to "speaking in tongues" as we are discussing here. Few if any of these (in my opinion) heterodox practices are found in assemblies which reject what we see as non Biblical gibberish.
I don't know where the concept came from that one could initiate tongues of their own accord. We were not taught this way so it is strange to see that the Pentecostal church condones this line of thought.
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