Can anyone here say yes to this?

[David O]

Is it a shame for women to speak in the churches?

I believe it is because of 1 Corinthians 14:35. Does anyone else here believe this?

 

[FreeinChrist]

no

 

[Matthan]

Paul says yes, but my wife also votes no....

 

[David O]

I'm named after Paul. I acknowledge that those commandments of his in 1 Corinthians 14 are from the LORD. Why is it so hard to find anyone else from this last century who does so too?

 

[Theophorus]

Yes...(ducks for cover), but my church service is a little bit different than yours.

 

[WeLikeSheep]

Yes. They should all stay home bare-footed and pregnant.

NOT.

When asked this question a pastor friend of mine said, "If it's good enough for God, it's good enough for me," commenting on women prophets in the Bible.

 

[David O]

Yes...(ducks for cover), but my church service is a little bit different than yours.

Are you Russian Orthodox? I went to one (St. Mary's) here in Austin for a while. I love those guys. We disagreed about Mary and Icons, but they are very impressive men.

Prophets (M or F) don't seem to have done much of their work inside the churches. If 1 Corinthians 14 is good enough for God...

 

[seebs]

[bible]1 Corinthians 14:34-40[/bible]

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order.

"No."

 

[David O]

Wow!

 

[seebs]

"Forbid not" seemed clear enough to me.

 

[Ave Maria]

No, it is not a shame for women to speak in church. Once again, this is an example of bad translation. Remember, we rely on English translations of the Bible, not the original Bible or even copies that are in Greek and Hebrew like the original ones! They are translated by fallible man and are therefore fallible themselves. Only the originals were infallible.

Basically what is going on in this verse is that there was too much ruckus going on in the church at Corinth. Women were speaking out in church asking questions during the sermon and possibly even gossipping and talking among themselves while the men tried to teach. This caused problems because it made it hard to concentrate. So, Paul is basically telling the Corinthian women to try and keep quiet and let the men teach.

And just so you know, women preachers are not a falsehood because of this verse either. It was merely the culture of the time for men to be the primary teachers.

 

[talitha]

what she said.

 

[Snow Angel]

34 *** ¶ Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 *** And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
This is what it said in the Bible,so I would say it said no not to talk,wait till you get home and talk Things over with your husband.

 

[FreeinChrist]

"Forbid not" seemed clear enough to me.

well, I guess the next time I am in church, I had better not say the Lord's prayer, or sing, or even an 'Amen' to a comment praising Jesus!
(where is that rolling eyes smilie!?!)

 

[Snow Angel]

What does this verse"have to do with 1 Corinthians 14:34-40

Freeinchrist/Gen 18:25

 

[Theophorus]

No, it is not a shame for women to speak in church. Once again, this is an example of bad translation. Remember, we rely on English translations of the Bible, not the original Bible or even copies that are in Greek and Hebrew like the original ones! They are translated by fallible man and are therefore fallible themselves. Only the originals were infallible.

St. John Chrysostom, who wrote and spoke Greek in the 4th century does not agree with your interpretation.

Basically what is going on in this verse is that there was too much ruckus going on in the church at Corinth. Women were speaking out in church asking questions during the sermon and possibly even gossipping and talking among themselves while the men tried to teach. This caused problems because it made it hard to concentrate. So, Paul is basically telling the Corinthian women to try and keep quiet and let the men teach.

The question is whether the admonishment applies only to the woman of Corinth, which you answer in the following statement.

And just so you know, women preachers are not a falsehood because of this verse either. It was merely the culture of the time for men to be the primary teachers.

Now the question becomes which came first: Was it the culture that dictated that women be silent in church, or was it church and Paul's authority that dictated then, and for centuries afterward, the culture.

If this was a Jewish congregation then you would have a point, but it is not, and there were many pagan "women in charge" and high priestess' in that paticular culture. Also the arguement that Paul was forcing Jewish cultural mores upon the woman of Corinth only, makes little sense, and is inconsistent with his other epistles.

 

[Theophorus]

Are you Russian Orthodox? I went to one (St. Mary's) here in Austin for a while. I love those guys. We disagreed about Mary and Icons, but they are very impressive men.

I attend mainly at a Greek Orthodox monastery. They take this stuff very seriously.

 

[FreeinChrist]

What does this verse"have to do with 1 Corinthians 14:34-40

The Genesis verse is in my signature. It wasn't part of the reponse.

So tell me, Snow angel -
Are you suppose to strive to be like Christ? Have the mind of Christ? Are you to use your spiritual gifts?
Do you know that some of the times 'man' is used, it refers to men and women?
Are you aware that sometimes Paul is addressing specific problems and that to carry that forward and say, "no women should be quiet and not speak in church" is actually ignoring the situation Paul is addressing?
So, if a pastor is saying, "Jesus won't return bodily. teh Second Coming is a spiritual event that happens when we die", I should be a quiet little woman and not address the elders and just say, "oh, I guess I was wrong."

As I wrote, where is that 'rolling eyes' smilie ?

 

[FreeinChrist]

St. John Chrysostom, who wrote and spoke Greek in the 4th century does not agree with your interpretation.

The question is whether the admonishment applies only to the woman of Corinth, which you answer in the following statement.


Now the question becomes which came first: Was it the culture that dictated that women be silent in church, or was it church and Paul's authority that dictated then, and for centuries afterward, the culture.

If this was a Jewish congregation then you would have a point, but it is not, and there were many pagan "women in charge" and high priestess' in that paticular culture. Also the arguement that Paul was forcing Jewish cultural mores upon the woman of Corinth only, makes little sense, and is inconsistent with his other epistles.

However, a lot of early church fathers listened to Aristotle - who questioned the degree of humanity of woman!

Are women to use their spiritual gifts?

 

[JohnJones]

1 Cor 14:37-38 "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant."

Paul plainly indicates that anyone who says it is OK for women to speak in the assembly of the church is (1) rejecting the commandments of God (2) not a prophet (3) not spiritual (4) ignorant -- Paul via inspiration of the Holy Spirit (or rather the Holy Spirit through Paul) said it, not me.


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1 Cor 14:34-38 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant."