Can anyone explain how the moth got it's owl eyes?

[JesusFollowerForever]

Wow ... that was good!

You're not related to Fanny Crosby by any chance, are you?

thanks, I do not know who Fanny Crosby is but will have a look.

cheers!

 

[AV1611VET]

thanks, I do not know who Fanny Crosby is but will have a look.

cheers!

In my "Taking Questions on Embedded Age" thread, someone once posted this to me:

2+2<>10
Two plus two, it is not ten.
It is not ten, no matter when.
It is not ten, not here or there.
It is not ten, not anywhere.

"It might be ten. Yes, it could be.
If God, this world, didn't oversee.
Maybe on an alien tree."

It would not, could not, in a tree.
"On Krypton?" No, you let me be.

It is not ten, not in a box.
It is not ten, not with a fox.
It is not ten, not in a house.
It is not ten, not with a mouse.
It is not ten, not here or there.
It is not ten, not anywhere.
I do not need to state again.
It is not ten. It is not ten.
--doubtingmerle

To which I replied:

Two plus two indeed are ten.
Unless you're confused as to exactly when.
For two plus two are ten and no more.
If you're adding two plus two in the base of four.

That's about the extent of my poetry skills.

 

[Astrid]

Here is what the moth has to say.. lol.

In depths of night, where shadows reign,
I, the howl moth, shall now explain,
My eyes, a marvel, God's design,
Beyond the reach of reason's line.

In silent woods where moonlight gleams,
God wove a tale within my beams.
With each blink, His grace does shine,
In every gaze, His love divine.

Not mere chance nor evolution's dance,
Could craft such sight, this mystic trance.
For in my eyes, His artistry lies,
A testament to the Creator's skies.

So heed my words, you skeptics wise,
In every creature, God's hand lies.
No evolution, no random chance,
Could fashion beauty in this dance.

So let my howl echo through the night,
A hymn to God, in His pure light.
For in my eyes, His wonders rise,
A fable spun beneath the skies.


Sorry it came to mind and could not resist.

You are pretty good at resisting calls to
recognize how absurd your claims are.

 

[AV1611VET]

You are pretty good at resisting calls to recognize how absurd your claims are.

And just what are those claims that are being resisted?

If you recognize them, perhaps you could tell us?

 

[Thurston-howell-III]

You are playing a highly deceptive game with words, intentionally or otherwise. Let me assume you are correct in claiming that DNA has these mechanisms. Here, from the reputable Cleveland is the even-handed, fair, and non-deceptive way to frame things (I added the bolded part):

Genetic mutations are changes to your DNA sequence that happen during cell division when your cells make copies of themselves. Your DNA tells your body how to form and function. Genetic mutations could lead to genetic conditions like cancer, or they could help humans better adapt to their environment over time.

You characterize all mutation as "errors" since you cannot countenance the truth that some of these "errors" yield benefit, not damage. A gullible reader of your argument will think "well, if all mutations are errors, this cannot possibly lead to a fitter (i.e. "better") animal as proponents of evolution believe since errors invariably make things worse".

But the truth is that while in a very strict technical sense, all mutations are indeed copying errors, what really matters is whether this "error in copying" hurts or helps the organism. An "error" can have good consequences despite your implications to the contrary. If I commit the error of losing my passport that is an error. But if that error causes me to miss a flight that crashes, this error is a benefit to me.

Can you show some copying errors that advanced "evolution" ?
I've got tons that are killing machines.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Can you show some copying errors that advanced "evolution" ?
I've got tons that are killing machines.

Lactose tolerance, ability to ingest gluten, higher bone density, resistance to malaria in certain populations in Africa, resistance to HIV in certain European populations, ability to move cholesterol inside the human body to the liver meaning lower risk of heart disease.

Those are ones I found looking up 'positive mutations' on Google.

 

[Thurston-howell-III]

Lactose tolerance, ability to ingest gluten, higher bone density, resistance to malaria in certain populations in Africa, resistance to HIV in certain European populations, ability to move cholesterol inside the human body to the liver meaning lower risk of heart disease.

Those are ones I found looking up 'positive mutations' on Google.

Lactose tolerance, ability to ingest gluten, higher bone density, resistance to malaria in certain populations in Africa, resistance to HIV in certain European populations, ability to move cholesterol inside the human body to the liver meaning lower risk of heart disease.

Those are ones I found looking up 'positive mutations' on Google.

And what was the cost to the organism ?
When hemoglobin molecules get mutated, it causes sickle cell anemia, would you volunteer to have this mutation?

 

[Astrid]

Can you show some copying errors that advanced "evolution" ?
I've got tons that are killing machines.

Would it suit you to have "bible", "your faith"
etc in quotation marks?
Or would you recognize it as belittling
editorializing?

But to answer your q., the error that gives sickle cell
anemia is one.

Another made house flies immune to ddt.

You do know that most educated Christians have
no problem understanding evolution?
That the " denier" churches draw their membership
from " the trailer park", the lowest rungs of the
socioeconomic ladder?

That to disprove a theory you need contrary facts,
not quotation marks and questions?

Curious if you know / will admit the above is true.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And what was the cost to the organism ?
When hemoglobin molecules get mutated, it causes sickle cell anemia, would you volunteer to have this mutation?

Your comment makes no sense. The organism was getting a positive beneficial mutation, thus allowing the organism to live, thrive and produce offspring. That's all there is to it. It's not a cost related thing in the slightest.

And you can't 'volunteer' to get a mutation. Mutations occur. Mutations are the reason your hair colour is what it is, your eyes are the colour they are, whether you have wisdom teeth or not.

 

[Astrid]

And what was the cost to the organism ?
When hemoglobin molecules get mutated, it causes sickle cell anemia, would you volunteer to have this mutation?

You dont understand the relationship to malaria?

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

If you want it from a creationist perspective, how does this sound:

In 4004 BC, God creates the Noctua kind.

Fast forward to 2348 BC, and the Noctua board the Ark.

After the Flood, the Noctua fly off and, if it doesn't have them yet, they acquire these "eyes" as a defense mechanism against predators.

How did they "acquire" them?

 

[AV1611VET]

Lactose tolerance,

Would you explain this further please?

Why are you considering lactose tolerance a benefit of evolution?

It looks to me like you're saying that, if it wasn't for evolution, we would all be lactose intolerant.

Perhaps we started out tolerant, then became intolerant due to the Fall?

 

[AV1611VET]

You do know that most educated Christians have no problem understanding evolution?

... or Phlogiston theory, or geocentrism, or witchcraft, or O rings, or crime rates, or AGW, or impending ice ages, or Y2K, or D&D, or chess, or checkers, or Parchisi, or the stock market, or ...

What's your point?

That the "denier" churches draw their membership from "the trailer park", the lowest rungs of the socioeconomic ladder?

Where did Jesus draw His membership?

You know.

Those twelve men who were considered scumbags by the elites?

That to disprove a theory you need contrary facts, not quotation marks and questions?

Then don't disprove it.

Just say the Bible says it is wrong and be done with it.

A child should be able to tell a scientist he is wrong.

Curious if you know / will admit the above is true.

I hope so.

We have trailer parks around here that should make good mission fields.

On the intel scale, who is harder to lead to Christ?

Rebecca Watson or your maid?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Would you explain this further please?

Why are you considering lactose tolerance a benefit of evolution?

It looks to me like you're saying that, if it wasn't for evolution, we would all be lactose intolerant.

I'm going to ignore the last bit since it's your basic fallacy you always play with regards to anything scientific but the rest is interesting.

Yes, lactose tolerance is benefit. Because if you try and have anything with lactose when you can't, the results are nasty, but historically, they would have been much worse. People would die from diarrhoea caused by their lactose intolerance since there was no historical way to recoup the lost water and nutrients lost from it. Plus projectile vomiting, cramps, etc. You get the picture of how bad that could be, and historically, this would be a killer.

How is the tolerance to lactose then not a benefit of evolution?

 

[AV1611VET]

How did they "acquire" them?

If they didn't have them the day they were created, then those "eyes" must have been coded into their genes or something.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, lactose tolerance is benefit. Because if you try and have anything with lactose when you can't, the results are nasty,

Yes ... and if I try to have peanuts, when I can't, the results are nasty.

I don't understand.

Are you saying that, historically, the default position is that most everyone was born intolerant, until evolution rescued them?

If so, that's bologna.

And I know you don't believe in him like I do, but it's an excellent question:

Were Adam & Eve created lactose intolerant?

And isn't the Promised Land called "the land of milk and honey"?

No one in the Bible drank milk and survived?

Is that what you want me to believe?

How is the tolerance to lactose then not a benefit of evolution?

Only on paper.

I submit lactose intolerance is the exception, not the rule.

And anyone using lactose tolerance as a brownie point for evolution has been brainwashed by academia.

 

[Ophiolite]

Here is what the moth has to say.. lol.

In depths of night, where shadows reign,
I, the howl moth, shall now explain,
My eyes, a marvel, God's design,
Beyond the reach of reason's line.

In silent woods where moonlight gleams,
God wove a tale within my beams.
With each blink, His grace does shine,
In every gaze, His love divine.

Not mere chance nor evolution's dance,
Could craft such sight, this mystic trance.
For in my eyes, His artistry lies,
A testament to the Creator's skies.

So heed my words, you skeptics wise,
In every creature, God's hand lies.
No evolution, no random chance,
Could fashion beauty in this dance.

So let my howl echo through the night,
A hymn to God, in His pure light.
For in my eyes, His wonders rise,
A fable spun beneath the skies.


Sorry it came to mind and could not resist.

You claimed you had made your last post on this thread. Despite that I asked if you might take the time to anwer my questions from post #93. I asked this, and repeated the question, in post #103 . Now, for your convenience I repeat them again here and ask that you please repsond.

1. Which field of science are you expert in? I'm not asking for your speciality, e.g. carbonatite lavas of East Africa; or, generalities, e.g. geologist; but something in the middle, e.g. vulcanologist.
2. Since you know evolution is not possible how did you go about falsifying it?

Thank you for your attention.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I submit lactose intolerance is the exception, not the rule.

This is the only bit I'm going to focus on since the rest of your post is just your regular BS:

68% of the world is lactose intolerant. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Thurston-howell-III]

Your comment makes no sense. The organism was getting a positive beneficial mutation, thus allowing the organism to live, thrive and produce offspring. That's all there is to it. It's not a cost related thing in the slightest.

And you can't 'volunteer' to get a mutation. Mutations occur. Mutations are the reason your hair colour is what it is, your eyes are the colour they are, whether you have wisdom teeth or not.

it makes perfect sense, would you trade sickle cell anemia for malaria resistance? Because that's what happens.

 

[AV1611VET]

68% of the world is lactose intolerant. I'll leave it at that.

And what does that have to do with evolution?

Did you know 100% of the world is arsenic intolerant?