Can anyone explain how the moth got it's owl eyes?

[AV1611VET]

I assure you I understand fully.

And I'm Genghis Khan.

If you have a better explanation than I do, let's hear it.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

And I'm Genghis Khan.

If you have a better explanation than I do, let's hear it.

You already agree with my explanation. Mutation in concordance with natural selection produces markings on the moths that resemble eye spots. What you needlessly refer to as "micro-evolution" or perhaps "adaptation" in an effort to avoid agreeing too much. What you can't demonstrate is the "God" or "created" part of your preferred explanation.

 

[Ophiolite]

oh so having sickle cells is ok? I think not, it causes red blood cells to be deformed into a sickle shape.

I have guided you to information that condenses the findings of many scientists and medical people. This information clearly shows that sickle cells are a benefit in providing protection against malaria, and that where malaria is prevalent this is a worthwhile risk to take. You criticised another member for reading comprehension difficulties. What is that you do not understand about the information provided? Or have you simply chosen to ignore it because it conflicts with your beliefs?

 

[AV1611VET]

You already agree with my explanation. Mutation in concordance with natural selection produces markings on the moths that resemble eye spots.

Then does that not answer the OP's question?

 

[Thurston-howell-III]

What kind of information are you talking about?

information in the DNA code is what I am referring to. Do you believe that codes need an intelligent mind to be designed?

 

[Thurston-howell-III]

I have guided you to information that condenses the findings of many scientists and medical people. This information clearly shows that sickle cells are a benefit in providing protection against malaria, and that where malaria is prevalent this is a worthwhile risk to take. You criticised another member for reading comprehension difficulties. What is that you do not understand about the information provided? Or have you simply chosen to ignore it because it conflicts with your beliefs?

You're right sickle cells are good, sign me up!!!
Sickle cells that block blood flow to organs deprive the affected organs of blood and oxygen. In sickle cell anemia, blood also is low in oxygen. This lack of oxygen-rich blood can damage nerves and organs, including the kidneys, liver and spleen, and can be fatal.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You're right sickle cells are good, sign me up!!!
Sickle cells that block blood flow to organs deprive the affected organs of blood and oxygen. In sickle cell anemia, blood also is low in oxygen. This lack of oxygen-rich blood can damage nerves and organs, including the kidneys, liver and spleen, and can be fatal.

But that's only if you have the anaemic form of it. The majority of people who have sickle cells DON'T HAVE SICKLE CELL ANAEMIA! WE'VE BEEN SAYING THIS REPEATEDLY!!

 

[BCP1928]

information in the DNA code is what I am referring to. Do you believe that codes need an intelligent mind to be designed?

The information in the DNA code is Shannon Information, which does not need an 'intelligent mind' to be produced.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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[Thurston-howell-III]

But that's only if you have the anaemic form of it. The majority of people who have sickle cells DON'T HAVE SICKLE CELL ANAEMIA! WE'VE BEEN SAYING THIS REPEATEDLY!!

Sickle cells still block blood flow to organs & deprive affected organs of blood and oxygen. Is this what you want?

 

[Gene2memE]

The eyespots are obviously created as that is the best explaination. You believe that chance mutations produced quite the masterpiece of owl eyes, on BOTH wings. Do you play the lottery, have you won?

Woah, woah, woah!

You're debating the validity of evolution but don't understand the basics of bilateral symmetry?

Yeeeesh. That's a bit like debating the Germ Theory of Disease and not understanding how viruses spread.

 

[Astrid]

Woah, woah, woah!

You're debating the validity of evolution but don't understand the basics of bilateral symmetry?

Yeeeesh. That's a bit like debating the Germ Theory of Disease and not understanding how viruses spread.

It's always like that.

 

[NxNW]

I wonder how many "ABSOLUTELY LUCKY" mutations it took to get the job done.
How come you don't empty your bank account to play the lottery since you believe in luck so much?

It's been calculated that a fully functioning eye can develop from a single light- sensitive cell in a few hundred thousand generations.

 

[NxNW]

The eyespots are obviously created as that is the best explaination. You believe that chance mutations produced quite the masterpiece of owl eyes, on BOTH wings. Do you play the lottery, have you won?

It's not chance; it's natural selection which is faster and more powerful than chance.

 

[Ophiolite]

Sickle cells still block blood flow to organs & deprive affected organs of blood and oxygen. Is this what you want?

It does not matter what I, you, or anyone else want. Statistically, if one lives in a malaria prone country the risk to life of having the sickle cell trait is less than the risk of not having it. If one does not have it one has a serious risk of dying or being seriously compromised by malaria. If one has the trait that risk is zero in most instances and very much lower in the remainder. On balance more people die from malaria as a consequence of not having sickle cell than do of having sickle cell, as less than 10% of those with the trait can develop sickle cell anemia.

Repeatdly listing the effects of sickle cell anemia is irrelevant, unless you also list the devastating impact of malaria on those who lack the trait. Would I wish to have sickle cell anemia? Of course not. But would I wish to have malaria? No. And having the sickle cell trait, though it carries a small risk of leading to sickle cell anemia, is protection against the latter. However, the choice of which of these you have is not yours to make. It is down to nature and the genetics of your parents.

 

[Astrid]

It does not matter what I, you, or anyone else want. Statistically, if one lives in a malaria prone country the risk to life of having the sickle cell trait is less than the risk of not having it. If one does not have it one has a serious risk of dying or being seriously compromised by malaria. If one has the trait that risk is zero in most instances and very much lower in the remainder. On balance more people die from malaria as a consequence of not having sickle cell than do of having sickle cell, as less than 10% of those with the trait can develop sickle cell anemia.

Repeatdly listing the effects of sickle cell anemia is irrelevant, unless you also list the devastating impact of malaria on those who lack the trait. Would I wish to have sickle cell anemia? Of course not. But would I wish to have malaria? No. And having the sickle cell trait, though it carries a small risk of leading to sickle cell anemia, is protection against the latter. However, the choice of which of these you have is not yours to make. It is down to nature and the genetics of your parents.

As understood by anyone who's made the least effort
to know how (gods creation) works.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Sickle cells still block blood flow to organs & deprive affected organs of blood and oxygen. Is this what you want?

But as has been said: this is only the case when it's specifically sickle cell anaemia. Having sickle cells does not result in this as a given.

Why are you ignoring what people are telling you?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It does not matter what I, you, or anyone else want. Statistically, if one lives in a malaria prone country the risk to life of having the sickle cell trait is less than the risk of not having it. If one does not have it one has a serious risk of dying or being seriously compromised by malaria. If one has the trait that risk is zero in most instances and very much lower in the remainder. On balance more people die from malaria as a consequence of not having sickle cell than do of having sickle cell, as less than 10% of those with the trait can develop sickle cell anemia.

Repeatdly listing the effects of sickle cell anemia is irrelevant, unless you also list the devastating impact of malaria on those who lack the trait. Would I wish to have sickle cell anemia? Of course not. But would I wish to have malaria? No. And having the sickle cell trait, though it carries a small risk of leading to sickle cell anemia, is protection against the latter. However, the choice of which of these you have is not yours to make. It is down to nature and the genetics of your parents.

Yeah, that's the weird sticking point. I don't get why he's trying to make choice a thing.

 

[Thurston-howell-III]

It does not matter what I, you, or anyone else want. Statistically, if one lives in a malaria prone country the risk to life of having the sickle cell trait is less than the risk of not having it. If one does not have it one has a serious risk of dying or being seriously compromised by malaria. If one has the trait that risk is zero in most instances and very much lower in the remainder. On balance more people die from malaria as a consequence of not having sickle cell than do of having sickle cell, as less than 10% of those with the trait can develop sickle cell anemia.

Repeatdly listing the effects of sickle cell anemia is irrelevant, unless you also list the devastating impact of malaria on those who lack the trait. Would I wish to have sickle cell anemia? Of course not. But would I wish to have malaria? No. And having the sickle cell trait, though it carries a small risk of leading to sickle cell anemia, is protection against the latter. However, the choice of which of these you have is not yours to make. It is down to nature and the genetics of your parents.

Mutations cause destruction and if you’re lucky, they won’t kill you, the trade off is not beneficial, you’re minimizing the harm sickle cell disease has on its victims

 

[Thurston-howell-III]

Woah, woah, woah!

You're debating the validity of evolution but don't understand the basics of bilateral symmetry?

Yeeeesh. That's a bit like debating the Germ Theory of Disease and not understanding how viruses spread.

So you don’t think it’s lucky that a moth ends up w 2 owl eyes on its wings to scare off predators?