Can an Atheist date a Christian (and vice versa)?

[Cearbhall]

Once again my statement was simple Truth. No doubt some here are up in arms because that Truth conflicts with current day proglib political correctness.

Again, saying this is not an argument. You're welcome to express your beliefs, but don't go after others for having different beliefs when you aren't attempting to debate.

 

[keith99]

Twist the night away, sport

Please feel free to point out any errors in what I said or any indication in the nearby verses that marriage is the subject of the letter.

If you can, which I doubt.

 

[Archivist]

Once again my statement was simple Truth. No doubt some here are up in arms because that Truth conflicts with current day proglib political correctness.

No, it was simple opinion.

And, once again, you are entitled to your own opinion.

 

[de1929]

I am an Atheist, but I respect the right of anybody to believe their beliefs and I would never criticise anybody for holding a true faith in the heart. I met a lovely lady and we have started dating, she is a Christian and regular church goer, is the relationship doomed to failure or can the two coexist? We're both middle aged, divorced and with grown up family so we wont be looking to procreate, there is therefore no great imperative for marriage or cohabitation, we both have our own homes and like it that way.

What are the thoughts of the Christians on here?

i am christian. enjoy the relationship. don't worry about religion.

 

[Grafted In]

Rhetoric?
How can you make such a claim when you admit to being an atheist.
Therfore you can have no understanding of Scripture.
Your post are not valid.

 

[Grafted In]

Saying it doesn't make it true, nor does it mean that people will agree with you. There's no purpose to this kind of rhetoric.

There is no purpose to your post regarding Scripture. You claim to be atheist. You cannot have any understanding if Scripture.

 

[Cearbhall]

There is no purpose to your post regarding Scripture.

What post?

You claim to be atheist.

Yes.

You cannot have any understanding if Scripture.

You're welcome to believe this, but I personally disagree. I'm capable of the same critical thinking skills and can obtain the same cultural/historical knowledge as you can.

I haven't actually put forward an argument regarding any scriptural passage, but this sounds to me like you're saying "I'm right because I've decided that you can't possibly be right," which isn't logical nor a solid argument. It's essentially the same as saying that you're in possession of an opinion. It doesn't make that opinion right.

 

[sunsurfkdt]

Well when I was 16...I was into a 20 yr old atheist...but its so funny...bc the reason I dug him..is one...We'd have talks...I mean...he um thought of me as a little girl...and um...no this could not work out actually at all long term...coz he was uh trying to corrupt me...but...I dunno...so I guess no! What I mean to say is...u may get converted...or...at least u might have some deep talks...but one of u might get upset!!

 

[ewq1938]

What post?

Yes.

You're welcome to believe this, but I personally disagree. I'm capable of the same critical thinking skills and can obtain the same cultural/historical knowledge as you can.

He was speaking that an Atheist will not have guidance and understanding from the Holy Spirit to help them understand aspects of scripture that critical thinking alone simply can't give.

Reminds me of the MOVIE Good Will Hunting. He had all the intelligence and book smarts but lacked the real world experience to apply it to it's fullest potential. This is a bit different but the comparison works well enough to make the point. An Atheist lacks something he cannot obtain without faith and the Holy Spirit.

 

[Cearbhall]

He was speaking that an Atheist will not have guidance and understanding from the Holy Spirit to help them understand aspects of scripture that critical thinking alone simply can't give.

Then you can understand why a non-Christian who doesn't believe that the Holy Spirit exists wouldn't agree with that.

 

[ewq1938]

Then you can understand why a non-Christian who doesn't believe that the Holy Spirit exists wouldn't agree with that.

That doesn't really need to be said but agreement with it is not needed. It's like trying to buy a can of Cola from a machine with only 99 cents and the can costs a dollar. Almost is not good enough when it comes to understanding scripture.

1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1Co 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

 

[Cearbhall]

That doesn't really need to be said but agreement with it is not needed.

You don't need to agree with me, either. It's fine.

It's like trying to buy a can of Cola from a machine with only 99 cents and the can costs a dollar. Almost is not good enough when it comes to understanding scripture.

I understood what you meant. I was just expressing that it doesn't make any difference to someone who doesn't believe that you actually have access to greater resources. I could say that I inherently understand Tom Sawyer better than you because Mark Twain whispers to me from beyond the grave, but that wouldn't make you agree that I understand it better.

 

[loveofourlord]

One thing that needs to be done before there is marriage, or even before the relationship starts to get serious is what do you do with children, are they going to be brought up Christian, atheist, let them decide or what, because last thing you want to do is have children and have a fight about wether your taking them to church or not.

Also I don't think fundementalists would work very well with Atheists just due to how diametricly different each can be.

 

[ewq1938]

You don't need to agree with me, either. It's fine.

I understood what you meant. I was just expressing that it doesn't make any difference to someone who doesn't believe that you actually have access to greater resources. I could say that I inherently understand Tom Sawyer better than you because Mark Twain whispers to me from beyond the grave, but that wouldn't make you agree that I understand it better.

I would actually agree if that were possible but it isn't.

 

[revanneosl]

I'm a minister who has been married to an atheist for 25 years. It's not the easy road, but it CAN be done.

 

[Cearbhall]

I would actually agree if that were possible but it isn't.

Then I've succeeded in making my point. You can see the logic in my belief that it is not possible for you to obtain divine advice which would make you better able to understand scriptures than I. You are free to believe otherwise, but it's of no consequence to me.

 

[ewq1938]

Then I've succeeded in making my point. You can see the logic in my belief that it is not possible for you to obtain divine advice which would make you better able to understand scriptures than I. You are free to believe otherwise, but it's of no consequence to me.

Yet, you are here on a Christian forum. I am not on an atheist forum. The dead cannot communicate with the living so your example cannot happen yet the Holy Spirit is real, and does give believers the ability to understand the scriptures where non-believers are lacking.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Yet, you are here on a Christian forum. I am not on an atheist forum. The dead cannot communicate with the living so your example cannot happen yet the Holy Spirit is real, and does give believers the ability to understand the scriptures where non-believers are lacking.

If the Holy Spirit is real and guiding Christians in their complete and perfect 100% understanding of the Bible, why are there so many different branches of Christianity?

 

[Cearbhall]

Yet, you are here on a Christian forum. I am not on an atheist forum. The dead cannot communicate with the living so your example cannot happen yet the Holy Spirit is real, and does give believers the ability to understand the scriptures where non-believers are lacking.

Why do you keep going in circles? You've made it clear that you understood my point and why I believe what I do. And I've made it clear that I understand your beliefs, in return. I do not believe that the Holy Spirit is real. Stating the opposite numerous times isn't going to change that. You do realize that you can read about someone's differing beliefs without needing to have the last word and tell them that they're wrong again and again and again, don't you? You don't have to keep saying that you have different beliefs. I know that already. That was the point. If you have an additional point to make, then feel free, but you keep covering the same ground.

 

[ewq1938]

You do realize that you can read about someone's differing beliefs without needing to have the last word and tell them that they're wrong again and again and again, don't you?

And why don't you practice what you preach? Apparently you don't realize everything you said to me actually best applies to yourself.

And I repeat, you are at a Christian site. I am not posting on an Atheist site. That doesn't mean you have to agree but the official position of this site is the HS is real and without it one cannot fully grasp scripture.