Can algorithms tell us who wrote the Bible?

[bhsmte]

In over 3500 years nothing has ever been disproved in the Bible. Why would anyone be able to come up with anything now after all those years?

Hard to prove a negative.

Other holy texts haven't been completely disproven either, but you don't believe in them, do you? You can't disprove that I wasn't abducted by aliens last night either.

Of course actually supporting certain biblical claims with objective evidence, is a completely different story.

 

[Isaacsname]

Ok, I invite you to this thread I have started

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...he-saros-eclipse-cycle.7919991/#post-68913096

I will show you the basis for the Bible

 

[lesliedellow]

You have mathematical proof for the Bible?

Ok, I invite you to this thread I have started

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...he-saros-eclipse-cycle.7919991/#post-68913096

I will show you the basis for the Bible

Deeply unconvincing. It has been speculated that 666 is a reference to one of the caesars, with a much higher probability of being right, but there is no consensus about where that number came from.

 

[Isaacsname]

There's nothing deeply unconvincing about astronomy

You'll have to convince me that you understand the topics before I could seriously consider you being able to debate me, as according to the formals in logic and law, there can be no debate if one does not acknowledge the principles

Feel free to " debunk me " on my own thread

I love it when people jump the gun

 

[lesliedellow]

There's nothing deeply unconvincing about astronomy

"Well, the numbers in the last book of the Bible { 144,000 and 666 } are taken from a set of calculations for these astronomical events"

That is not astronomy. That is just an assertion with nothing to back it up.

 

[Zosimus]

Hard to prove a negative.

Other holy texts haven't been completely disproven either, but you don't believe in them, do you? You can't disprove that I wasn't abducted by aliens last night either.

Of course actually supporting certain biblical claims with objective evidence, is a completely different story.

The Bible is a collection of writings claimed to have been inspired by a supernatural being, texts laying down certain moral principles to be followed. It also contains some smattering of history, but this as more of an afterthought.

What kind of "objective evidence" would, if found in the Bible, prove this claim true? Were you hoping to find an accurate prediction of who will win the 2016 World Series perhaps?

 

[bhsmte]

The Bible is a collection of writings claimed to have been inspired by a supernatural being, texts laying down certain moral principles to be followed. It also contains some smattering of history, but this as more of an afterthought.

What kind of "objective evidence" would, if found in the Bible, prove this claim true? Were you hoping to find an accurate prediction of who will win the 2016 World Series perhaps?

The bible is the claim, the objective evidence to verify the claims are likely to be true, would be found outside of the bible.

 

[lesliedellow]

It also contains some smattering of history, but this as more of an afterthought.

It is scarcely an afterthought. The defining characteristic of Judaism and Christianity is that God is understood primarily in terms of his activity in history.

 

[Zosimus]

The bible is the claim, the objective evidence to verify the claims are likely to be true, would be found outside of the bible.

Such as what, exactly? If, for example, the Bible predicted that Jews would eventually return to Israel, is the existence of a modern Jewish state in Israel incontrovertible proof of the authenticity of said book?

 

[bhsmte]

Such as what, exactly? If, for example, the Bible predicted that Jews would eventually return to Israel, is the existence of a modern Jewish state in Israel incontrovertible proof of the authenticity of said book?

No.

If 30 years ago, I wrote a book on diet and exercise, based on claims of how to properly use diet and exercise, that had no objective support, besides my personal opinion and I predicted in that book, that the obesity rate would rise dramatically in the next 30 years, it would not mean the rest of what I wrote in the book, to be accurate and or reliable.

Claims are taken, one at a time.

 

[Cearbhall]

I am beginning to wonder if some of what we use to know about the Bible has been lost.

For sure. The scribes who pieced it together don't seem to have been big fans of writing editor's notes, unfortunately. This sort of analysis is really the only way to deduce how many sources went into any given book, and technology is making that process more efficient.

 

[joshua 1 9]

No.

If 30 years ago, I wrote a book on diet and exercise, based on claims of how to properly use diet and exercise, that had no objective support, besides my personal opinion and I predicted in that book, that the obesity rate would rise dramatically in the next 30 years, it would not mean the rest of what I wrote in the book, to be accurate and or reliable.

Claims are taken, one at a time.

It really has a lot less to do with predictable then unprecedented. In fact the Hebrew people being scattered for 2,000 years and then to be gathered with the degree of genetic purity they have defies explanation according to the theory of evolution. They should have blended into the nations they were scattered to and their genetic purity should have disappeared a long time ago. But by all means give me the evolutionary theory that would predict that they would be scattered and then regathered 2,000 years later. Show me your science that explains all of this away.

 

[joshua 1 9]

the Bible predicted that Jews would eventually return to Israel,

Where does the Bible predict this. I am aware of Daniels 70th week, but that is not something that is not plain for people that do not have the Holy Spirit to understand.

 

[Steve Petersen]

For another, possibly more productive way or reading the Bible, let me suggest the narrative approach:

https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Art_of_Biblical_Narrative.html?id=DNT96GHQodsC

 

[lesliedellow]

It really has a lot less to do with predictable then unprecedented. In fact the Hebrew people being scattered for 2,000 years and then to be gathered with the degree of genetic purity they have defies explanation according to the theory of evolution. They should have blended into the nations they were scattered to and their genetic purity should have disappeared a long time ago. But by all means give me the evolutionary theory that would predict that they would be scattered and then regathered 2,000 years later. Show me your science that explains all of this away.

It has got nothing to do with Evolution. For most of the previous two millennia Jews were a persecuted minority, and it was only the Nazi atrocities which finally brought that to an end. It is not exactly likely that there would have been much interbreeding with the persecuting majority.

 

[crjmurray]

Such as what, exactly? If, for example, the Bible predicted that Jews would eventually return to Israel, is the existence of a modern Jewish state in Israel incontrovertible proof of the authenticity of said book?

Zos is back!!!!

 

[Zosimus]

No.

If 30 years ago, I wrote a book on diet and exercise, based on claims of how to properly use diet and exercise, that had no objective support, besides my personal opinion and I predicted in that book, that the obesity rate would rise dramatically in the next 30 years, it would not mean the rest of what I wrote in the book, to be accurate and or reliable.

Claims are taken, one at a time.

So basically what you are saying is that no evidence of any kind would be sufficient to prove to you that the Bible were true, but you still have the nerve to demand evidence.

 

[bhsmte]

So basically what you are saying is that no evidence of any kind would be sufficient to prove to you that the Bible were true, but you still have the nerve to demand evidence.

Nope, not what I said and not even close.

 

[Zosimus]

Zos is back!!!!

Yeah, first round deadlines have passed (including interviews), and second round deadlines aren't till January. So basically there's a lull in the frenzy to study an MBA at a top 10 school in the USA.

So I have time to criticize what passes for logic around here.

 

[Zosimus]

Where does the Bible predict this. I am aware of Daniels 70th week, but that is not something that is not plain for people that do not have the Holy Spirit to understand.

Well, I'm no expert on the matter, but according to http://www.therefinersfire.org/jews_return_to_israel.htm the answer would be Isaiah 11.