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Can Abraham's SEED or David's ROOT be God?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by edpobre, Nov 15, 2001.

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  1. edpobre

    edpobre Well-Known Member

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    Friends,

    God said to Abraham: "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy SEED after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God unto thee and to thy SEED after thee." (Gen. 17:7)

    Apostle Paul explains who this SEED is: "Now to Abraham and his SEED were the promises made. He saith NOT, And to seeds as of many; but as of ONE, And to thy SEED, which is Christ." (Gal. 3:16).

    Is Abraham the "GRANDFATHER of God" just as Mary is the "MOTHER of God"?

    Revelation 5:5 we read that the ROOT of David has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals. Revelation 5:6 shows the LAMB with the seven spirits of God standing in the midst the throne and of the elder. Rev. 5:7 shows the LAMB taking the scroll out of the hand of the ONE who sat on the throne, whom the elders and creatures refer as the "Lord God Almighty" (Rev. 4::cool: and who created all things (Rev. 8:11)

    Is David also the "Grandfather of God" just as Mary is the "MOTHER of God?"

    Christ was PROPHESIED to be the SEED of Abraham and was SEEN in John's vision that he is the ROOT of David. Obviously, Christ did NOT exist PHYSICALLY before Abraham and was indeed a MAN justas Jesus himself said.

    Ed
     
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  2. ZoneChaos

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    Correct.. Jesus did not exist as a Human.. He did exis tthough.. with god, from the beginning. And physicallt, the line from Abraham, to Isaac to Jacob, to David, to Joseph did not produce Jessu, as Jesus was concieved by God, bot by Jospeph, however, Abrahams and David's seed was the Jewish People.. and thorugh the seed of Abraham, God's plan was fulfilled for Mary and Jospeh to raise Jesus.
     
  3. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    "Christ was PROPHESIED to be the SEED of Abraham and was SEEN in John's vision that he is the ROOT of David. Obviously, Christ did NOT exist PHYSICALLY before Abraham and was indeed a MAN justas Jesus himself said."

    Just as in the same sence you will not physically exsist after you die here on earth..does that mean the person named Ed ceases to exsist...no ;)
     
  4. edpobre

    edpobre Well-Known Member

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    ZoneChaos,

    You wrote:


    WHAT was Jesus if he did NOT exist as a human before Abraham? He existed in the MIND of God. He was promised to the serpent (Gen. 3:15). He was promised to Abraham (Gen. 17:7). He was promised to Moses (Deut. 18:1:cool: . And he was promised to Isaiah (Isaiah 7:14). As apostle Peter wrote, Jesus was FOREORDAINED before the foundations of the world (1 Peter 1:20).

    How can we discuss these things intelligently when you even refuse to believe what apostle Paul wrote in Galatians 3:16. He said that the SEED referred to in the covenant God made with Abraham in Gen. 17:7 refers to Christ.

    Tell me Zone, do you honestly belueve wht the Bible says?

    Ed
     
  5. ZoneChaos

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    He was God. He was a person of the Godhead. He was the God the Son. He was one of the three person of the Trinity Godhead.



    That limits Jesus, and the nature of Jesus to an idea created into a man. That makes Jesus a creation.. and as a creation He could not be what the Bible depicts Him to be.



    I do not deny that Chrsit was promised to them.. I deny that Chrsit was nothing but an idea before Jesus' birth.



    I beleive what he wrote.. I interperate differently.



    100% of it.. but I do not interperate as you do.
     
  6. ZoneChaos

    ZoneChaos Senior Veteran

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    Oh ad is this thread on the Topic of wether Jesus is or is not God? if so.. then respond in the other thread please.
     
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