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Can a Christian be a Freemason???

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What Freemasons say they believe in and what they practice are not the same. They say they believe in God. But they were first formed in the Temple of Isis as a sort of union to keep stop others from obtaining work that they wanted.

That may be in the case of operative masonry, the craft guild. Speculative Masonry, the fraternal organization, is based on Operative masonry symbolically, just as the Woodmen of the World are based on a lumberjack guild.

They are not allowed to name Jesus at their ceremonies.

If referring to the first operative masons under Egypt, Jesus had not yet been born. Modern freemasons do not present sectarian prayer of any religion.

The name Freemason is a term that they gave themselves during The Middle Ages. It stems from the term free stone mason, who were the builders of the Churches.

Builders of medevial cathedrals, yes. But at some point men were admitted who did not do the work of stonemasons.

Before that they were called Pharisees which means "of the Pharaohs".

Hadn't heard that. Is there a Masonic source for that? Were the Pharisees of Jesus' time devoted to the Egyptian Pharaohs? That would be strange. The Pharaohs had died out by then and post-Alexander the Great Egypt was under the Ptolemys, of which Cleopatra was the last. After her death, Egypt became a province of the Roman Empire.

Christianity is not something to wear on your sleeve, as freemasons do. It is something you keep in your heart.

I would not say that is an accurate characterization of modern freemasonry. Most freemasons of today do not make a big deal of their affiliation. Unlike freemasonry, Christianity is a religion.

They teach something called "Truth & Consequences". It means you must believe a lie as the truth or you will face the consequences.

Again, is there a masonic source? Antimasonic sources are notoriously unreliable.

What freemasons practice and what Jesus taught are two completely different things.

Because Jesus taught religion, while freemasonry is essentially a club.

Jesus taught that love is the key to the Kingdom of Heaven. What they teach is very similar to Gnostic religion. The belief that you can learn the password and enter heaven regardless of what sins you commit.

This is false because freemasonry is not a religion. It does not teach any doctrine of salvation. Members are encouraged to find this within their own religions.

Decide for yourself. But most of the freemasons I've met have been willing to backstab an innocent man to work their way up.

That certainly does not describe Benjamin Franklin and other founders of the United States who were masons, Stephen F. Austin, the Roosevelts, Harry S. Truman, Astronaut Edwin E. "Buzz" Aldrin, entertainers Red Sketon, Mel Tillis, Will Rogers, Ernest Borgnine and so many other well-known Masons. In the heyday of masonry, about 1880-1930, many local elites were united by membership in masonry and no doubt some were not kind to outsiders, but that is hardly characteristic of the organization.
 
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Before that they were called Pharisees which means "of the Pharaohs".
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. The word Pharisee is of Hebrew origin and comes from the Hebrew word פרושים prushim from פרוש parush, meaning "separated", that is to say, one who is separated for a life of purity.
 
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By your reasoning, then, no Christian should ever take an oath of public office, sign a contract, or join the Armed Forces.

Masonic Oaths are innocuous matters related to personal integrity. There are no "Masonic Secrets" one cannot find readily revealed in books on the shelves of any public library.

A "secret organization" to which such individuals as the late President Gerald Rudolph Ford, and the actor-comedian Michael Richards ("Kramer" on Seinfeld) belong--whose lodges are clearly marked not only on the outside but at city limits together with signs announcing the Elks, VFW, rotary, and Lions--is hardly secret.

Your objection brings to mind the following ethical consideration: Which is worse: to make an oath, and due to changed circumstances break it at a later time, or to avoid making an oath, or a promise or commitment out of consideration of anticipation of future events while expressing sympathy and using legalistic language to make a person think you are on their side when actually the opposite is true? I would submit the oath-breaker has committed the lesser offense by far.
 
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You cannot be both a Catholic and a mason.

This is inaccurate as there are indeed Catholic Masons. I know extremist antimasonic Catholics claim such individuals have "self-excommunicated" themselves from Catholicism, but the reality is there are plenty who receive Catholic Mass on Sunday and go to Lodge on Monday and there is no effort whatsoever being made to formally excommunciate these guys by the hierarchy. The problem of masonry for the hierarchy is it is anti-authoritarian and objects to their (the RCC hierarchy's) attempts to impose its own illegetimate authority. However, they keep quiet about Catholic Masons because it would alienate Catholics, especially American ones.
 
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By the way, "fraternity"? Yeah right. Welp, its just a good ol boy's club folks, we can all go home now. No I don't think so.

All the antimasons have offered in their assertions otherwise have been lies, distortions, and fearmongering.
 
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Is this the same Anglican church that embraces homosexuality and esteems men who are openly living in homosexual relationships (adulterers who have forsaken their families even)and are raised up in leadership positions?

How nice to be in a position where one feels qualified to judge others. That's some place I will never be.

Anglicanism is a confederation, a 'communion" they call it of church bodies which follow Anglican traditions.

The United States' branch, the Episcopal Church USA (ECUSA) honors the loving relationships of its LGBT members and does not cast aside its LGBT brothers and sisters like so many churches based on hatred do. One of its bishops, V. Gene Robinson, is a married gay man. His ex-wife was among the parishioners who lit a candle for him at his investiture. If she's not offended, what business is it of yours?

While primarily composed of conservative businessmen, Freemasonry is unique in that it raises the ire of those who demand political correctness and feel qualified to judge others. Antimasonry is nothing but one branch of extremism and a very weird one at that; some attack those whose capacities for love are different, and others attack men's fraternities. The intent is always the same: a demand others conform to their way of thinking.
 
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For 3 yrs i was church secretary and Youth leader at the local United Methodist Church. They owned a building across the street that they rented out to the FreeMasons for their meetings. More than 50% of the men in the congregation belonged to the FreeMasons including ALL of the church leadership. (except the Pastor). I really don't know what the Masons do or don't do but the men at the UMC that were also Free Masons were very nice Christian Men that often talked about Jesus and some of them were also in Promise Keepers as well. I have no judgment one way or another about the Masons. Before this experience i had heard all the negative, conspiracy theory type stuff about the Masons and believed it all. Now i wonder how much of all the stuff written is REALLY what the Masons are about or not. I have no idea. Just thought i would share.
 
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The decision on that belongs to the individual and to God, not to others.

BTW, Aileen Wuornos was a prostitute, a serial killer, a rape victim, and a Christian (the last as a death row inmate). As a child, her and her siblings were abandoned by their parents when she was 7 years old and she had already been a victim of horrific physical and sexual abuse by then. While she claimed to have only murdered men who were her "Johns" (prostitution customers) who abused her no doubt she committed much evil just as much evil was done to her. But a "god" which would reject her because of what she became is not worth much as a god.
 
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If you really want an answer to this question...one that's based on scripture and experience, not conjecture might I suggest
Beyond the Light

Illuminating...

From the link (An Amazon.com catalogue page for this book (I knew it sounded familiar, then I saw the cover, I've read this from the public library!): Publisher: Chick Pub

That says it all right there and shows the zero credibility it has in just two words.

Chick Publications is the notorious force behind Chick Comics, those "Tijuana Bibles" of extreme far-right Christianity published by this publishing house out of a strip center in Chino, California. Chick has been described as "The Most Widely Read Theologian in the History of the World" because his bizarre extreme comics are everywhere and published in languages from Armenian to Zulu. Chick is notoriously anti-Catholic and anti-Masonic, which no doubt presents a conundrum to some anti-Catholic Masons and anti-masonic Catholics. However, his willingness to lie in his publications is clearly documented most especially in Daniel Raeburn's essay. For example in another antimasonic publication produced by Chick, "The Curse of Baphomet" Chick repeated the antimasonic hoax of pornographer Leo Taxil who claimed Masonic writer and Brigadier General Albert Pike had claimed Masons worship Lucifer. Taxil himself admitted this was a hoax but that doesn't stop unethical promoters like Chick and Pat Robertson, who also repeated the hoax as if it was real, from bearing false witness.

Chick also published a series of anti-Catholic exposes featuring a supposed former priest named "Alberto" but the Alberto stories were also investigated and found to be a fraud.
 
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Hi, Gwenyfur.

Would you like to join with me in a discussion about the heretical teachings of Freemasonry which cause it to be incompatible with the Christian faith?

Don't know if we can get much continuity on the matter here. One would think, with a thread titled, 'Can a Christian be a Freemason???', that there would be something on it besides hateful character assassination. But then, maybe that is the way of the "Gentle Craft".

I think what you had in mind was taking a closer look at ritual itself, which is the common thread that links the Grand Lodges together, ergo the common thread that links all Masons together.
 
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The correlation between your response and quote is weak at best. I am glad this woman became a christian! I have heard that so did Jeffrey Dahlmer, and I have seen a documentary on David Burkawitz, (I make no claims of correct spelling,) as now being a very effective and pwerful preacher still in jail. The connection between all of these and others is that they left their old, sinful life and became new creatures. They did not claim to be both at the same time.
 
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[to Gwenyfur]Would you like to join with me in a discussion about the heretical teachings of Freemasonry which cause it to be incompatible with the Christian faith?

For something to be "heretical" it must be a religious activity; freemasonry, while having a religious basis in some sense, is not in any sense a religion. Your query above makes the false assumption there are such "heretical teachings" which you and any other antimasons participating here have failed to prove exist.

The charge of "heresy" is always a refuge for those lacking rational argument. This is no longer the Middle Ages and religious "political correctness" is no requirement anyone should ever take seriously.
 
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I do not know what is supposedly "weak" about it as it is based on news reports. While it is certainly true serial killers like Wuornos and Berkowitz did not, as far as is known, claim to be active serial killers and Christians at the exact same instance, essentially any argument that "no Christian can be a ....[fill in the blank]" wind up essentially being invalid "No True Scotsman" arguments.
 
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For something to be "heretical" it must be a religious activity; freemasonry, while having a religious basis in some sense, is not in any sense a religion.
Actually, in order for something to be heretical, it must teach heresy. Doesn't matter to me what anybody wants to call Freemasonry. All that matters is what it teaches; and if its teachings are heretical, no Christian should be involved in it. Heresy is generally defined as being an opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine of a church or religious system.
When one considers that Masonry requires of its candidates that they promise to conform to the tenets and teachings of the Craft, it behooves Christians to investigate said tenets and teachings and see if they line up with Scripture. Masonry's teachings on "God" and "Salvation" are at variance with the accepted doctrine of the Church. Some jurisdictions ask certain questions of the candidates prior to their being allowed entry into the lodge room; some ask the same, or similar, questions of the candidates in the petition they fill out. In either case, the candidate must agree to conform to the tenets and teachings of Freemasonry. Primarily, this requires adherence to the Landmarks, as well as what is actually taught during the initiatory process - the explanation of the symbolisms of Freemasonry.
Your query above makes the false assumption there are such "heretical teachings" which you and any other antimasons participating here have failed to prove exist.
We're going to be getting to that. Unfortunately, in response to Gwenyfur's original post, all any of the defenders of the faith (Masonic faith, that is) have done is engage in character assassination. By they way, hope you don't mind if I refer to you as anti-Christian, since you have taken the liberty to classify me as an antimason. Seems to me to be only proper that "one good turn deserves another", right? And speaking of that term you used, it immediately reveals your willingness to be dishonest, based on the fact that for you to call me antimason, you are insinuating that I am opposed to all who are members of the Masonic Order. That is untrue. In order for it to be true, I would have to have an aversion toward members of my own family, and for somebody to say that, brands that person as a liar. I am opposed to the heretical teachings of Freemasonry that necessarily cause it to be incompatible with the Christian faith.

As to proof of the existence of heresy, one only has to look at what Freemasonry says is "essentially necessary" for gaining admission into heaven. The first thing we have to establish is that gaining admission into heaven - the term used by Freemasonry - necessarily means salvation. No dancing around the issue will change that fact. That being the case, we now look at what Freemasonry actually teaches in this regard:
"Y w prsntd w a l or w l a, because te l, i all ages h b dmd an e o i, Te l i therefore t r y of tt purity o l a rectitude o c which is so essentially necessary to your gaining admission to that Celestial Lodge above, where the Supreme Architect of the Universe presides." (Nevada cipher).
This is de-ciphered in Nevada's EA Monitor:
"You were presented with a lambskin or white leather apron, because the Lamb has in all ages been deemed an emblem of innocence. The lambskin is therefore to remind you of that purity of life and rectitude of conduct which is so essentially necessary to your gaining admission to that Celestial Lodge above, where the Supreme Architect of the Universe presides." ('Nevada Masonic Monitor, First Degree - Entered Apprentice', p. 14)

Any honest Christian can look at that teaching and immediately see that Freemasonry, in establishing that which it claims to be "essentially necessary", for gaining admission into heaven (salvation) has totally ignored the acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and has instead, supplanted His authority with the candidate's own works.

The charge of "heresy" is always a refuge for those lacking rational argument. This is no longer the Middle Ages and religious "political correctness" is no requirement anyone should ever take seriously.

The "rational argument", as you call it, is what is commonly referred to as church doctrine. All one has to do to prove Freemasonry's incompatibility with the Christian faith is to compare what Masonry teaches to what the Church teaches, particularly in regards to the Bible, God, and Salvation. I invite you to read about these matters. I am unable to include links in my posts at this time, but if you will drop me a note, will be more than happy to give you a link to the Discussion Board of Ephesians 5:11/Ex Masons For Jesus, where we list doctrinal statements of various Church denominations, compared to what Masonry teaches on the same matters.

The comparisons are quite revealing. But then, it is these doctrinal statements that I supposed you have deemed to be something nobody "should ever take seriously".
 
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Actually, in order for something to be heretical, it must teach heresy.

Identifying such things is both impossible and futile.

When one considers that Masonry requires of its candidates that they promise to conform to the tenets and teachings of the Craft, it behooves Christians to investigate said tenets and teachings and see if they line up with Scripture.

No more or less than anything else; of course, whether or not things "line up with scripture" is in the eye of the beholder.

Masonry's teachings on "God" and "Salvation" are at variance with the accepted doctrine of the Church.

Since masonry has no teachings in this area the assertion is patently false.

...all any of the defenders of the faith (Masonic faith, that is) have done is engage in character assassination.

As there is no "Masonic faith" this is again a falsehood.

By they way, hope you don't mind if I refer to you as anti-Christian, since you have taken the liberty to classify me as an antimason. Seems to me to be only proper that "one good turn deserves another", right?

One can assume this is a rhetorical question.


I see you've incorporated Eric Stratton's argument to the fraternity council with just as much absurdity and none of the irony from John Landis' major opus.


This is a frequent antimasonic argument entirely misinterpreting the symbolism of the lambskin apron and implying it means things which it is never said to mean by masonic sources. You've got to have theology to have works theology; masonry has neither.

...Ephesians 5:11/Ex Masons For Jesus...

An extremist antimasonic site with zero credibility.

it is these doctrinal statements that I supposed you have deemed to be something nobody "should ever take seriously".

Demands for political correctness should never be taken seriously.
 
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Ignore the truth and it will go away, right? I was a ritualist for five years. I know what Masonry is, I know what it teaches. Your denials remind me of the billboard I used to see on Desert Inn Road, here in Las Vegas. "What part of 'Thou shalt not', do you not understand?"

No problem. Those who are Christians plainly see what Masonry is teaching. Your denials are moot.

For those of you who know the truth when you see it, I will also touch on what "purity" means, as in "purity of life":
"The Apron is at once the emblem of purity and the badge of a Mason. By purity is meant blamelessness, a loyal obedience to the laws of the Craft and sincere good will to the Brethren; . ." ('A Lodge System Of Masonic Instruction' - Nevada, p. 28)

So, Masonry is saying that being totally without fault, obeying the laws of Masonry, and liking Masons is what is essentially necessary for gaining admission into heaven.

Pretty clear. That's the way truth is. Once can ignore it; one can deny it; one can run away from it. But it can't be changed.
 
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The above is nothing but very weak argentum ad hominiem. Nothing of substance has been offered by this poster, just a fervency shown to be weak and a lack of facts to support his fanciful position.
 
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