Can a Christian be a communist?

[Ampmonster]

you left thisone alone
"your in the media..liberalism and socialism are second nature to you."
how many of your view are supported by you co"work"ers?

 

[BigToe]

actually the people i work with are all from various political and theological beliefs. i left that one alone because its a stereotype that i know exists. what do you want me to do? say nuh uh? there isnt anything i can do to disprove it to you unless you work in the media. sure there are liberals, but there are lots of conservatives too.

 

[BigToe]

however, i respect anyone who works, no matter what it is they are doing. if they are trying and not asking for free rides, i admire them. i am offended that you belittle what it is i do for a living. quite unchristianlike

 

[Ampmonster]

"if they are trying and not asking for free rides, i admire them."

ok how an you advocate socialism??? im sure you work, but i busted your horns because socialism is rediculous. it presents and easy out for those who would take advantage of thse who work. why would you want to give away what you earn to scum of the earth. people will always take full advantage of a socialist system

 

[BigToe]

yes, thats why it doesnt work, because people take advantage of it. if it did work, and people didnt take advantage of it, it'd be a good practice.

i think everyone should work, and everyone should be allowed to work. i think everyone should have healthcare and access to drs. does that really make me such a bad person?

 

[Ampmonster]

your not a bad person. your a good person with little understanding of bad people.

 

[BigToe]

haha prolly right. i am optimistic at worst heh

 

[royboy]

I DIDNT SAY COMMUNISM DIDNT WORK BECAUSE CHINA HARVEST ORGANS. I SAID CHINA IS ***ED UP FOR DOING SO.
how about an answer for me what happens when theres one woman for ever 15 men in china because they MURDER BABY GIRLS OVER THERE!

QUITE OVER RATIONALIZING ! AHHHHHHH!

In response to this post by another person, "China seems to get along just fine being communist ",

You wrote, "...im sorry? they harvest organs out of living people over there.
oh and the 15/1 M/F ratio is gonna start getting in the way of "getting along fine" real soon."

Because you obviously disapprove of organ harvesting and uneven male female ratios, what you wrote implies that the Chinese aren't getting along fine with their communism, which I have already explained, is in name only.

In regards to China is wrong for harvesting organs, having a higher ratio of men than women, and murdering baby girls, are these activities government approved? If they are not, then they being committed by criminals. Is America so crime free that you can start pointing your finger at other countries for crimes?


Let's assume for the moment that the Chinese government endorses the killing of women and children. By your standards shouldn't you be condemning your own country where your own government and soldiers have admitted to the killing of innocent civilian women and children?

War crimes? Soldiers ordered to gun down thousands of Korean refugees, old men, women and children (when the soldiers complained that they didn't like shooting civillians anymore, the Americans then sent their planes to bomb the refugee columns!). What about US soldiers cutting off Vietnamese body parts for souveneirs, Government permitted random murder of Vietnamese civillians.

Again, I have nothing against any one country. I am just not blind to the fact that every country has dirty hands.

Some people criticise the Japanese for hunting whales to eat, yet the Americans almost wiped out the entire buffalo population in America. It was not even to eat, it was to deprive someone (the native people) of something to eat, double whammy.

People throw around terms like China's human rights record (which I do not think is good either), but they fail to look at their own. The slavery, and before that, the native americans. How can one rightly point the finger at another country like you have?

So applying the standards you have shown here, can you say that America is also dirty?

Is America also (as you put it) "***ED UP".

 

[SolomonVII]

Why or why not?

Communism is an intergral part of our way of life (whether you realize it or not-and I'll makes posts on that later). Post your thoughts on why or why not a Christian can be a communist.

To answer this question properly, we need a much firmer defintion of communism. If we take communism we mean the Marxist states that have to date been the only states to emerge that call themselves communist, then the answer would have to be no. According to Marx, God does not exist and without God there is no Christianity.
On the other hand, from the New Testament it would seem that Jesus and His apostles pooled their resources into a communal trust. No apostle was richer than any other as everything was shared. The first Christian communities were similarily organized. So in this sense Christians can be communists.
However, since the word 'communist' is so linked in everybodies minds with those murderous and incompetent regimes that arose in the twentieth century, perhaps there might be a less emotion-laden term that could be used to facilitate debate.

 

[CushBabylonian]

Hmm, I wonder how military personnel feel about the communist way of life....

 

[CushBabylonian]

keep them coming friends, but stay on subject as I'm doing a survey for a class of mine, please watch your "tone" though...we all have our opinions and it should be respected.

I'll be back once I get through all these posts...

 

[CushBabylonian]

Got through most of the post and I see we have steered into the wrong land with this topic. Again, CAN A CHRiSTIAN BE A COMMUNIST? In other words, in a communist society and economic, can a nation, state, or such live under the ways of Christ and his teachings?
My theory is that it can (I'm up to my neck in research for my economic paper). I site our U.S. military. Our military is the most perfect (give or take) communist society. While all production is for the government (meaning your told what to produced, how much of it, etc.), every one is trained, educated (to a point), has a job, recieves income - no one goes hungry, no ghettos, everyone has health care, children of miltary parents receieve an excellent grade school education (I know being I spent grades K-10 in them and it's much differnet from the public school system), there are playgrounds, and libraries (black/hispanic neighborhoods seem to lack bookstores and libraries but that's a different topic and term paper). Our military proves that communism works. All production is for the government which in turn benefits society as a whole, not a greedy entrepeneur, that sounds like Christianity to me.

 

[CushBabylonian]

To not believe is illogical, one of mankind's greatest flaw (being illogical).
Oops, wrong thread...IGNORE THIS.

 

[BigToe]

cush, you obviously havent read all the posts carefully. i am saying that yes a christian can be communist or socialist or whatever

 

[He put me back together]

Why or why not?

Communism is an intergral part of our way of life (whether you realize it or not-and I'll makes posts on that later). Post your thoughts on why or why not a Christian can be a communist.

I think a christian most certainly can be a communist. Communism is an economic idea (well, in the context that I'm stating here it is)--it isn't evil of itself, no more than free enterprise is. Partially from being brainwashed to believe in the economic ideas that I was raised in, as nearly everyone is, and partially from my own logical deduction, I myself find that communism doesn't work on the large scale after the first few generations, although it IS working on the small scale AS WE SPEAK. Families are communist. Some small communities operate with communist components. The workplace, even, very often provides a universal supply of resources to be drawn from by its collective employees.

At any rate, I think the question "Can a christian be a communist?" is like asking "Can a christian be a Mercury Sable engineer from the 80's?" or "Can I love Christ and still work as a Mac OS lock-up prevention consultant?" Disagreeing on a design for sucess is not the same as disagreeing about which god is God.

 

[Ampmonster]

in theory, yes a christian or society could be communist. if i could trust 300million people to share everything we produced it would be heavan on earth. unfortunatly there are many bad evil people. so our system is the closest we have to keep the bad from dragging down the good

 

[Phillip Lorenz]

Friends,

Things get erased and forgotten over time. The fact that the first christian society was communist is no exception. However, a new movement is underway to bring this fact back to public attention. Jesus would not support the evil capitalist system. Join today! Let your voices be heard!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thechristiancommunist/

If not you, then who? If not now, then when?

 

[Buzz Dixon]

You can't be a Christian and a communist 'cuz to be a communist you have to be an athiest. You can be a socialist and be a Christian, or you can be a Christian and engage in communal living, but ya can't be a commie.

 

[Ryal Kane]

There are inherant flaws in any political, ideological or religious system.
These flaws are called 'People'

Ryal Kane

 

[Outspoken]

are you proud of living in a democratic country that polices the world for things it can't control within its own borders?

the thing is, no matter which nation we are from, there are good and bad things we can focus on. how about instead of trying to rid the world of their problems we all work on fixing our same problems?

america tried that....terrorist dictator, murders thousands every year, we went in and tried to get rid of him, some of the world wanted him to stay and keep murdering people. Why should we devote our resources to better the world, when the world doesn't want our help..it seems you're darned if you do, darned if you don't.