Can a person who already is a Christian, who in anger blamphemes God be ever forgiven?
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Can a Christain Commit the Unpardonable Sin?
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Blasphemy is perfectly forgivable. All one has to do is repent. All that is unforgivable is refusal to repent, and Christians can do that any day and every day. Every day is Choose Day.
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I don't know if God is considered the same as the Holy Spirit in Matthew 12:32. If yes, then a Christian (or somebody who WAS a Christian before he blasphemed) can do it, since I believe that Christians can fall away.
Matthew 12:32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
[36] But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.
Christian falling away:
HEB 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance,
2PE 2:20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.
21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.
Matthew 12:32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
[36] But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.
Christian falling away:
HEB 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance,
2PE 2:20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.
21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.
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Hello Racough,
One does not have to be angry to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, which is what Jesus said was unforgivable.
The unforgivable is accusing something of God to be that of Satan.
Matthew 12 says:
22 Then they brought to him a demoniac who was blind and mute. He cured the mute person so that he could speak and see.
23 All the crowd was astounded, and said, "Could this perhaps be the Son of David?"
24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "This man drives out demons only by the power of Beelzebul, the prince of demons."
Here the Pharisees are claiming that Jesus drove out the demons because his power had come from Satan. But Jesus says:
27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your own people drive them out? Therefore they will be your judges.
28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Here Jesus shows who gave him the power and then he tells them:
31 Therefore, I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
So, when a person attributes something of God to Satan, that person will never be forgiven. Can a christian do this? Yes. I see many christians saying things about other Churches and claiming that it come from Satan. I have had visions and have had biblical mysteries revealed through the Spirit of God and have had christians saying that it came from Satan and not God.
I try and warn them what they are doing and pray for them but scripture says what it says. I am not saying that doing this will keep a christian out of heaven but Jesus says that they will not be forgiven.
Be careful what you say.
God Bless,
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You can be for given for anything except rejection of the Holy Spirit and salvation. Blaspheming is rejection of Jesus Christ. Once you are saved nothing you say or do can take your salvation, not even God who can not brake His word. You can do nothing to gain your salvation, and can do nothing to loose, it is God's choose.
With respect..Censor
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Did you even take the time to read what I wrote from Matthew?
Matthew 12:
31 Therefore, I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
Now provide scripture that explains your position.
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Ok blasphemy is more like saying something bad or ugly about God. This word blasphemy as been push around and given different meaning. ok?
Now the word unforgivable is just that. Something that God can not and will not forgive. And that is saying no to God and what Jesus did on the cross.
If you tell God that it is not enough and you want to add something to Jesus blood, it is a slap in the face of God.
With respect...Censor
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Yes. I'm getting ever so slightly tired of posters who read what is not written, and who ignore what is written. Take a peek at v. 32, and see if you still take the same view.
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Since you won't write any more than a line or two with nothing to back yourself up, here are verses 31 & 32.
31 Therefore, I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Read carefully. Jesus says that you can speak words against him and be forgiven but if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you will not be forgiven, ever.
If you see something that is in here that others do not. Please enlighten us.
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Hello Censor,
Was Paul forgiven for what he did before he was revealed the truth? He did some pretty bad things to the christians and surely denied Jesus before.
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This is a very good question. Let me ask you, do you know that God knows every thing. If He does, then He knew Paul before Adam.
God knew what Paul was going to do from the beginning of time and FORGAVE him. This may be hard to believe, but it is true. Salvation did not begin with Jesus on the cross. God knew who he was going to save and who was not going to make the cut.
I was saved before the fall in the garden, because time means nothing to a all knowing God.
God knew Paul heart and yours. That is why he was chosen. God looks into the heart of man and that He can say of Dave who broke ever commandment that Dave was a man after my own heart.
With Respect....Censor
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Hello Censor,
Yes, I agree completely with what you are saying. My point was that even though speaking against Jesus may be a slap in the face of God, he can still forgive that, as he did Paul.
There are some that say that denying Jesus is the unforgivable sin but that is not true. Paul denied Jesus, yet, he had a great love for God. He just didn't understand the truth yet, because God hadn't revealed Jesus to him.
God Bless,
And also chosen before the fall of man,
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Still stuck on one liners? Why don't you let go and try to prove your point by giving us scripture to back it up?
If you can show me that my reading of scripture is incorrect, I'd be more than happy to realign my view.
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Well take Peter who denied Jesus 3 times. Paul with out the Spirit denied Who Jesus was, but never after. Peter was there to see everything Jesus did and still denied Jesus. (Peter had yet to Have the Spirit)
I would find it difficult to deny Jesus at this time, but even if I did He would never deny me. And to that I hold close to my heart.
With respect...Censor
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