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Can a Catholic be a Christian Universalist?

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Disclaimer: I do not identify as a "Catholic". When talking with my family, I learned that one of my family members recently converted to Catholicism. Now, on the Tentmaker forum, I’ve seen members who call themselves the title “Catholic” who believe in the truth, that is

1) Faith alone in Jesus Christ saves a person from the wages of sin, death.

2) Eventually, everyone will become believers in Christ Jesus in the above 1) way and everybody will go to Heaven.

Denomination titles don’t matter. Someone could call themselves a “Protestant” or “Orthodox” and have those same beliefs too. Here, I am rebuking the beliefs of the Catholic Church organization.

First, when talking with them, they mentioned how this family member had to pass classes, go through a whole education system and follow all these lengthy steps in order to become recognized as a member of the Catholic Church. The truth is that the only thing a person needs to do is to believe in Jesus Christ with faith alone. That alone is enough to wash away all sins.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Romans 3:28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

Going through this lengthy enrollment process also gives the Catholic Church this feeling of “exclusivism”, yet Christ came to save everybody, whether or not they are in the Catholic Church. That’s why I say the titles of denominations doesn’t matter. You don’t need to be called a “Catholic” or “Protestant” or “Orthodox” to be saved, but rather believe in Jesus Christ with faith alone.

Continuing that train of thought, to be saved we must believe only in Jesus Christ alone! They said this family member also prays to a human called “Mary”. The Catholic Church promotes the worship of Mary, who is just a human sinner like all other humans. Those who call themselves “saints” or “angels” or “gods” will not save us, only the one true Lord of Lords and God, Jesus Christ. We as believers in Christ have the confidence to pray to Jesus directly and ask the Father what we need with guidance from the Holy Spirit within us.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 Indeed, there is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins. [Adam = Man in Hebrew. All descendants of man sin, Christ was born a virgin and has no sin]

Psalm 14:3 They have all turned aside, together they have become corrupt; There is no one who does good, not even one. [aka not even Mother Mary, as she was born from Adam, not a virgin]

Now, are there people in the Catholic Church who believe in sola fida and universal reconciliation? Yes, as those two beliefs are correct. Then I rebuke here all things that contradict those two ideas. Some Catholics believe in a purgatory that allows for the existence of a forever hell that people who are not randomly “good” enough go to, which is false. Purgatory cannot cleanse us of our sins, only faith alone in Christ Jesus washes away all our sins, permanently.

From a Christian Universalist perspective, we realize the truth, that hell (aka sheol, the realm of the dead) is indeed temporary mental anguish, similar to purgatory. But that temporary length of time and it taking place after death is among only the few similarities between the two. That “temporary mental anguish” in Sheol is a result of the guilt people feel for their sins, the bad feeling you get when you do something bad, the law of reaping and sowing. People will continue to feel sad about their evil doings until they recognize their need for a saviour, as their own “good works” can’t save them. That is, they accept Jesus Christ as their saviour and all that guilt, all that sin, is washed away.

1 Samuel 2:6 The Lord kills and he gives life, he sends down to Sheol, he can bring the dead up again.

Psalm 16:10 You will not leave my soul in Sheol.

Psalm 86:13 For thy true love stands high above me; thou hast rescued my soul from the depths of Sheol.

Interestingly, this family member called himself the title “Christian” before converting to the title “Catholic”. I don’t know his personal beliefs about 1) and 2), all I know is this title change, which is meaningless. So, in this case, I rebuke “Catholic” beliefs that conflict with 1) and 2) just like how there are many “Christian” beliefs that conflict with 1) and 2).

Now, the question on all of your minds is, “Why did this family member convert to Catholicism?”. It’s because he married a devout Catholic woman and had kids with her. Thus, a word of advice I say to you all, choose who you marry wisely, or be like Paul, and do not marry at all, each of us is given our own gifts after all.
 

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I sometimes refer to myself as a Catholic Universalist (my upbringing was Catholic, and I had returned to Catholicism at one point). A long time ago, I had even created a crest/coat of arms thingie as my CF avatar (or I had it in my signature, I think) that symbolized/summarized my spirituality:

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I am not a Catholic but from what I know about Catholicism I don't believe that one can be a Catholic and also be a Universalist, despite the isolated statement being quoted from Pope Francis.
 
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Ugh. No. Universalism is considered heresy in the RCC. Has this turned into the Universalist forum or something? It’s a false gospel. There seems to be an underlying hostility to the Gospel as it was originally understood and taught along with a lot of cherry picking Scripture.

Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
James 3:1-2
 
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The hostility towards Christianity in this forum is quite obvious.

Examples:
Is the threat of hell spiritual extortion?

King of the Hill Kristianity- Who RU edifying?

Is Catholizm Universalist?

What does your view of the final judgement say about God’s character?


“Repent of your sins” is false to be saved, works salvation.

Etc.

Just a quick browse through this forum shows it and it’s obvious.
 
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2) Eventually, everyone will become believers in Christ Jesus in the above 1) way and everybody will go to Heaven.
You do seem to at least know that this is not what the Catholic Church teaches.
So, in this case, I rebuke “Catholic” beliefs ….
Fine. That’s your intention. Have at it. You get saved no matter what you say here according to your view. But what if words matter? What if God has requirements? What if Jesus was correct in Mt 25?
 
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Ugh. No. Universalism is considered heresy in the RCC. Has this turned into the Universalist forum or something? It’s a false gospel. There seems to be an underlying hostility to the Gospel as it was originally understood and taught along with a lot of cherry picking Scripture.

Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
James 3:1-2
The Controversial Christian Theology section has had universalism threads since I've been here. While it's considered heresy by the RCC, there are RCC clergy who are universalists. Franciscan friar and ecumenical teacher, Father Richard Rohr is one of them. There's also either a Monsignor or Bishop who's one too. Someone posted a video of him talking about it, but I don't remember his name. There's probably several others.
 
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Jesus did not act like a universalist. He was pretty big on damnation. But then what did he know?
There are Christians who believe a lot of what Jesus said that's considered Him being big on damnation, was actually national judgement being passed upon Israel, similar to that given by the prophets before the destruction of the temple and the Babylonian captivity. And the same thing did happen again to Israel by Rome (except permanently that time) within a generation after Jesus spoke those words.
 
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The Controversial Christian Theology section has had universalism threads since I've been here. While it's considered heresy by the RCC, there are RCC clergy who are universalists. Franciscan friar and ecumenical teacher, Father Richard Rohr is one of them. There's also either a Monsignor or Bishop who's one too. Someone posted a video of him talking about it, but I don't remember his name. There's probably several others.
There are lots of clergy that are not reliable teachers of the Catholic Faith. Richard Rohr being one of them. There are always tares amongst the wheat. Those willing to scratch itching ears. It does not mean that is the infallible teaching of the Church. Not sure what’s so hard to understand about that. As I said, you are free to believe as you please but bringing up Richard Rohr means nothing when it comes to what the Church teaches.

 
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There are lots of clergy that are not reliable teachers of the Catholic Faith. Richard Rohr being one of them. There are always tares amongst the wheat. Those willing to scratch itching ears. It does not mean that is the infallible teaching of the Church. Not sure what’s so hard to understand about that. As I said, you are free to believe as you please but bringing up Richard Rohr means nothing when it comes to what the Church teaches.

What makes you think I don't understand that? The subject of this thread is: "Can a Catholic be a Christian Universalist?". The answer is yes, as there are. There are Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, Baptist, Pentecostal etc Christian universalists, even though all of those churches officially call universalism heresy. This isn't a matter of what I believe, it's just simply a matter of fact. Don't get too emotional or personal just because I know about Christian universalism. I know a bunch of stuff about Mormonism too if you catch my drift.
 
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What makes you think I don't understand that? The subject of this thread is: "Can a Catholic be a Christian Universalist?". The answer is yes, as there are. There are Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, Baptist, Pentecostal etc Christian universalists, even though all of those churches officially call universalism heresy. This isn't a matter of what I believe, it's just simply a matter of fact. Don't get too emotional or personal just because I know about Christian universalism. I know a bunch of stuff about Mormonism too if you catch my drift.
No I don’t catch your drift. You seem to be the one getting defensive here so I’ll leave you to it.
 
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Have you read about hopeful universalism? Not just video snippets? Still not an infallible teaching of the Church.
Yes. And I'm not saying it's an infallible teaching of the RCC. I wouldn't say that or think that, because I know the facts.
 
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No I don’t catch your drift. You seem to be the one getting defensive here so I’ll leave you to it.
Just because I know about something doesn't mean that I believe in it or support it. I'm just trying to be informative.
 
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