Cambrian Explosion

[philbar]

I hear creationist using this as evidence that discredits the current evolution theory. How do they fit it into their own theory?

 

[Praxiteles]

I hear creationist using this as evidence that discredits the current evolution theory. How do they fit it into their own theory?

1. YECists don't have a theory

b. They don't try.

iii. They use it purely because they think it discredits the ToE. Which it doesn't.

4. All/some/none of the above.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I hear creationist using this as evidence that discredits the current evolution theory. How do they fit it into their own theory?

I for one (a Creationist) feel that the Cambrian theory fits perfectly with Genesis.




20 And God said: 'Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let fowl fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.'
This is stating what God wants done and the next verse says that is what he did.
21 And God created the great sea-monsters, and every living creature that creepeth, wherewith the waters swarmed, after its kind, and every winged fowl after its kind; and God saw that it was good.
The Cambrian era was the time period which consisted of all phyla alive today and some that have gone extinct. The waters literally swarmed with life. This period which is called the Paleozoic period includes the Silurian era in which there were centipedes and millipedes, the Devonian with its sharks and amphibians. This also includes the next period which is the Mesozoic period which then includes dino's and of course within this period comes the first appearance of birds. This is a general overview of what was created during this period. So an overview of this is that the day includes first the Paleozoic and next the Mesozoic.

 

[Oncedeceived]

1.

YECists don't have a theory

Not all Creationists are YEC.

b. They don't try.

Wrong again.

iii. They use it purely because they think it discredits the ToE. Which it doesn't.

I think it supports Creation

4. All/some/none of the above.

Disproven by all of the above.

 

[birdan]

I for one (a Creationist) feel that the Cambrian theory fits perfectly with Genesis.

The Cambrian era was the time period which consisted of all phyla alive today and some that have gone extinct. The waters literally swarmed with life. This period which is called the Paleozoic period includes the Silurian era in which there were centipedes and millipedes, the Devonian with its sharks and amphibians. This also includes the next period which is the Mesozoic period which then includes dino's and of course within this period comes the first appearance of birds. This is a general overview of what was created during this period. So an overview of this is that the day includes first the Paleozoic and next the Mesozoic.

You're aware that much speciation occurred after the Cambrian period, and that the Cambrian speciation 'explosion' occurred over millions of years? Or are you simply playing with words, and not the science?

 

[Oncedeceived]

You're aware that much speciation occurred after the Cambrian period, and that the Cambrian speciation 'explosion' occurred over millions of years? Or are you simply playing with words, and not the science?

Not at all. You would agree that all phyla alive today were present in the Cambrian? That is my point.

The fact that it occurred over millions of years does not discredit the Genesis narrative. I need not "play with words" and Science provides evidence for my hypothesis.

 

[caravelair]

Not all Creationists are YEC.

non-YEC creationists don't have a theory either, so your point is moot.

 

[Oncedeceived]

non-YEC creationists don't have a theory either, so your point is moot.

You ignore all the other points and then claim that YEC's don't have a theory either when in fact, I have just given one. Seems to me you may simply be arguing with your bias rather than your logic.

 

[caravelair]

You ignore all the other points and then claim that YEC's don't have a theory either when in fact, I have just given one. Seems to me you may simply be arguing with your bias rather than your logic.

i was talking about a scientific theory. you know, testable? falsifiable? one that explains natural phenomena? where's yours? i don't see it.

 

[Hydra009]

Wait a sec, how does the rapid adaptive radiation (in geologic terms - we're talking millions of years) of multicellular metozoans, skeletal features (as opposed to the soft-bodied species of the precambrian), and the development of most major animal body plans lend itself to anything other than evolution?

 

[Split Rock]

Not at all. You would agree that all phyla alive today were present in the Cambrian? That is my point.

OK.

Where were the amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals?

Where were the crabs, lobsters, shrimp, fish and whales?

Why is there not one living species represented by any Cambrian fauna?

 

[cze_026]

OK.

Where were the amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals?

Where were the crabs, lobsters, shrimp, fish and whales?

Why is there not one living species represented by any Cambrian fauna?

You beat me to the punch! I can't wait to hear the answer to that one.

Cze

 

[OutCasteChild]

OK.

Where were the amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals?

Where were the crabs, lobsters, shrimp, fish and whales?

Why is there not one living species represented by any Cambrian fauna?

Amphibians, reptiles, birds, mammals (including whales) = Chordata
Crabs, Lobsters, Shrimp = Arthropoda

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

I think the creationist confusion comes from the fact that the Cambrian Explosion is often described as happening "suddenly".. A "sudden" appearance of major phyla in the fossil record is interpeted by some as being "instantaneous". In fact "sudden" happened over a period of up to 30 million years.

There are very few fossil deposts from the time of the Cambrian Explosion. During that time too, these creatures were not common - they existed only in isolated pockets around the shallow seas of the tiime.

 

[jinkazama]

I think the creationist confusion comes from the fact that the Cambrian Explosion is often described as happening "suddenly".. A "sudden" appearance of major phyla in the fossil record is interpeted by some as being "instantaneous". In fact "sudden" happened over a period of up to 30 million years.

There are very few fossil deposts from the time of the Cambrian Explosion. During that time too, these creatures were not common - they existed only in isolated pockets around the shallow seas of the tiime.

Creationist does not know their biology well, they are going find anything to bring on evolution, their futile thinking has already proven their track record hold well against this debate. Desperation is not a key to victory.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Amphibians, reptiles, birds, mammals (including whales) = Chordata
Crabs, Lobsters, Shrimp = Arthropoda

Couldn't have answered it better myself.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Creationist does know their biology well, they are going find anything to bring on evolution, their futile thinking has already proven their track record hold well against this debate. Desperation is not a key to victory.

Please, point out my errors in knowledge of biology.

I would also add that it is rather typical for someone such as yourself to dismiss Creationist thinking without really understanding fully their postions. Perhaps you would do well to actually hold your opinion until you know for certain that "desperation" is the motive behind a post.

 

[OutCasteChild]

Couldn't have answered it better myself.

I'm still wondering why they listed whales after they already listed mammals.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I think the creationist confusion comes from the fact that the Cambrian Explosion is often described as happening "suddenly".. A "sudden" appearance of major phyla in the fossil record is interpeted by some as being "instantaneous". In fact "sudden" happened over a period of up to 30 million years.

Perhaps you missed the part when I said that millions of years had no bearing on my hypothesis nor on the Genesis narrative. I understand the time involved and I have no confusion with the term "sudden" when used. I didn't claim it meant instantaneous.

There are very few fossil deposts from the time of the Cambrian Explosion. During that time too, these creatures were not common - they existed only in isolated pockets around the shallow seas of the tiime.

Your point is??? Again, this is not a problem for my hypothesis.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I'm still wondering why they listed whales after they already listed mammals.

Good catch, I didn't even notice that.