Calvinism provides an excuse for those in hell

[Hammster]

The point is, you have no idea what you are saying. I've never said that. But you are only trying to attach words to me that I haven't said.

Intellectual dishonesty. Knock yourself out.

So people who allegedly trusted Christ, and them turn their back on Him will not be in heaven?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Of course you've never said it.

Then why do you consistently try to put words in my mouth?

You consistently deny the logical conclusion of your own viewpoint.

Now, that's really funny. Talk about logical conclusions of one's viewpoint!! That is precisely what this thread and the OP are about; the logical conclusions of your limited theology.

If a person believes today, then hates God next week and dies 40 years later still hating God, will that person go to heaven? Yes or no?

Jesus said that all who believe in Him for eternal life HAVE it. Do you think you know more than Jesus does?

Apparently you don't think much of God's promise of eternal life, to ask the questions you do.

1 Jn 2:25
This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life.

Do you believe Jesus, or do you believe some man's theology?

 

[guuila]

So people who allegedly trusted Christ, and them turn their back on Him will not be in heaven?

I guess Judas is in heaven. He believed one time.

 

[FreeGrace2]

So people who allegedly trusted Christ, and them turn their back on Him will not be in heaven?

1 Jn 2:25 covers it.

 

[Hammster]

Then why do you consistently try to put words in my mouth?


Now, that's really funny. Talk about logical conclusions of one's viewpoint!! That is precisely what this thread and the OP are about; the logical conclusions of your limited theology.


Jesus said that all who believe in Him for eternal life HAVE it. Do you think you know more than Jesus does?

Apparently you don't think much of God's promise of eternal life, to ask the questions you do.

1 Jn 2:25
This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life.

Do you believe Jesus, or do you believe some man's theology?

For the record, no I don't believe your theology.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I guess Judas is in heaven. He believed one time.

Do you have any evidence for that?

 

[Hammster]

1 Jn 2:25 covers it.

So now you are saying they will? Please, make up your mind.

 

[FreeGrace2]

For the record, no I don't believe your theology.

That wasn't the question, hammster. Do you believe Jesus? He gave us the answer to your question.

 

[guuila]

Jesus said that all who believe in Him for eternal life HAVE it.

Yep. Have you ever noticed "believe" is an active, present participle? That means whoever is believing has eternal life. You're erroneously translating the verse as "Whoever believed at one time."

Apparently you don't think much of God's promise of eternal life, to ask the questions you do.

I just happen to give a rip about verb tenses, unlike you.

1 Jn 2:25
This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life.

Do you believe Jesus, or do you believe some man's theology?

I believe Jesus and the verb tenses he used.

 

[FreeGrace2]

So now you are saying they will? Please, make up your mind.

I've been consistent throughout, as you well know.

 

[guuila]

Do you have any evidence for that?

Evidence for what?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Yep. Have you ever noticed "believe" is an active, present participle? That means whoever is believing has eternal life. You're erroneously translating the verse as "Whoever believed at one time."

Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is and claim that all occurrences of "believe" are present active?

I just happen to give a rip about verb tenses, unlike you.

Since you don't know me, your comment is irrelevant fluff.

I believe Jesus and the verb tenses he used.

But maybe you don't believe Paul, like ASK and his use of verb tenses, huh. Is that it? Check out Acts 16:31 since you like verb tenses so much.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Evidence for what?

You still sleeping on the switch? You claimed that Judas was in heaven.

 

[guuila]

Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is and claim that all occurrences of "believe" are present active?

John 3:16 is a perfect example of what I'm saying. Show me one instance where the Bible teaches a person who no longer believes is saved.

But maybe you don't believe Paul, like ASK and his use of verb tenses, huh.

I honestly don't know what you're saying here. Poor sentence construction.

Is that it? Check out Acts 16:31 since you like verb tenses so much.

Great verse. Pisteuson in that verse is an aorist, active verb. Totally refutes your theology.

 

[Hammster]

That wasn't the question, hammster. Do you believe Jesus? He gave us the answer to your question.

I believe Jesus. I don't believe your man-centered spin on it.

 

[guuila]

You still sleeping on the switch? You claimed that Judas was in heaven.

According to your theology he is.

 

[Hammster]

QUOTE=FreeGrace2;64084035]I've been consistent throughout, as you well know.[/QUOTE]

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The point is, you believe God haters will be in heaven.

The point is, you have no idea what you are saying. I've never said that. But you are only trying to attach words to me that I haven't said.

Intellectual dishonesty. Knock yourself out."

So why will someone who hates God be in heaven?

 

[guuila]

Well, that was fun.

 

[Hammster]

A blast, as usual.

 

[guuila]

A blast, as usual.

You may be a "true" Biblicist, but I'm a staunch one. That means I'm more of one than you.