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What did Jesus say was the point of the cross? This will be interesting.
I'm not interested in your opinion, griff. And your so-called example doesn't even come close to the issue.I honestly think you have issues with logic bro. Everything crimson just said makes perfect sense. It's the exact same thing I've been trying to tell you. You're just not able to see it. It's like logic has no place in your brain. We can't help it if you refuse to follow your theology to its logical conclusion. It's like this:
p1 - If it's raining today, you need to bring an umbrella.
p2 - It's raining today.
conclusion - You need to bring an umbrella.
And you're running around screaming, "It's not logical to conclude you need to bring an umbrella!!!!!!!!"
Not much can be done for a person in that state of lunacy.
Just answer the questions, if you think you are able to.Let me lay it out in a logical fashion in hopes that FreeGrace2 can connect the dots.
p1 - If Bob believes, he has eternal life even if he decide to hate Jesus.
p2 - Bob believed last year. Bob hated Jesus yesterday, and died last night.
conclusion - Bob, the Jesus hater, went to heaven.
Yet you deny Jesus haters go to heaven. Therefore, you deny logic.
Well, Skala, it appears that you can't see very well. Regeneration is what God does TO the believer, when they believe, so that comment can be thrown out. However, those believers who do lose faith aren't experiencing temporal sanctification, and the Holy Spirit is being quenched and grieved, so yes, there is no fruit being produced.So let me get this straight..
Freegrace2 believes in Once Saved Always Saved, but those that are saved might not necessarily believe in Jesus anymore?
Woooooooooow............
I can see that his theology has no place for sanctification, regeneration, the work of the Holy Spirit to produce fruit, God's promise to finish the faith he started, etc.
Excellent suggestion JF. Have you done it?For all of you looking to understand "free grace" vs. "lordship salvation", and arguments for them/against them, read Charles Ryrie's So Great Salvation and John MacAurthur's The Gospel According to Jesus.
Just a typical smart aleck retort. LOLI'll answer your two questions, firstly to show that I'm not "frightened" to answer them, or worried about the implications, but secondly I wouldn't want it on my conscience that I'd allowed you to break your arm patting yourself on the back for another "victory" over us dumb Calvinists.
OK, show me the verse that says what you are claiming; that one must die "in belief". You are sounding more and more like Arminians by the minute. LOLYes, the bible promises that whoever dies in belief inherits eternal life.
Why are you choking on the present tense in some verses? There are others that use the aorist tense with the promise of eternal life.It doesn't say that someone who believed for 30 seconds at some point during his 5th birthday party will be saved. It says "anyone who believes" (present tense) not "anyone who believed" (past tense).
Uh, let's just deal with the what v.38 is SAYING, OK?Yes, I accept that when Paul wrote his letter to current and true believers in Rome he indicated that nothing would separate them from Christ.
Not my problem if you don't want help.But one thing I wouldn't do if I were you, is boast that you're offering me any kind of help in understanding anything.
It's a synergist's failing to forget to whom epistles are addressed when trying to strangle a heretical doctrine from Scripture.I'm getting real tired of these stupid labeling attempts. I've proven otherwise in a number of posts, and in the soteriology subforum, I have actually noted that according to hammster's and other's definitions of monergism, I am one of them. So knock it off already, of is that just too difficult to understand?
OK, this is nothing short of fluff. Can you actually answer my questions or not?You've proved conclusively that logic plays no part in your thinking, and now you've shown that your exegesis falls short of any of the benchmarks set by my friends here.
So, you don't make typos, is that it? Well, it is obvious that you have no intention of answering my 2 questions. Apparently you ARE too afraid to, knowing the repercussions of your answers. As I thought.By the way, John 3:16 also says "whosoever believes" and not "whosoever believed". I'd leave this one now and concentrate on one of your other mistakes if I were you.
You need to read the one by Ryrie with an open mind. You know, to let the sun shine in.I have read MacArthur's book.
Actually, he was "caught" in failure to answer my 2 questions. Fear, no doubt.Caught him in a contradiction!
You're way out of line, ASK. Paul and Jesus preached the same thing: God's plan of salvation for mankind. To claim otherwise is to deny the authority of Scripture. Not a wise thing to do.Jesus promoted a works salvation. I guess you think He didn't understand the gospel either.
Paul's gospel promoted salvation without works, not the gospel Jesus preached.
I'm not interested in your opinion, griff. And your so-called example doesn't even come close to the issue.
btw, until cl does answer my 2 questions, why don't you give it a try?
Your response here reveals the frequent tactic of Calvinists; dodge the questions and attack the person, as you have clearly done here.
You guys use more smokescreen than the military. LOL
Just answer the questions, if you think you are able to.
You need to read the one by Ryrie with an open mind. You know, to let the sun shine in.
Nah.
Hey, Metal Minister, when are you going to "grade" my answers to your 5 questions? I want it official. Sooner than later.
Actually, he was "caught" in failure to answer my 2 questions. Fear, no doubt.
Jesus promoted a works salvation. I guess you think He didn't understand the gospel either.
Paul's gospel promoted salvation without works, not the gospel Jesus preached.
Yep, didn't think you would.Nah.
Yep, didn't think you would.
Well, thank you very much for your waffling and dodging answer, which I expected, but hoped for an honest response.Not much to grade but equivicating, contradictory responses....
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