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So I ask again, who told you Jesus obeyed the commandments perfectly for you, so that you don't have to obey them?
And this is what you come up with?? Didn't you understand a thing I said?OK, let's unpack your statement here. To be clear, the Bible promises that anyone who believes is saved eternally. Do you agree or not? That is the only issue. Period.
Do you accept or reject Rom 8:38-39? Because it answers your concerns.
38For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
I bolded 2 things to help you understand the infinite grace of God: the present and the future. Paul is here saying that regardless of what comes (future), believers will not be separated from the love of Christ. Period.
Just answer my questions, please.
I've contradicted nothing. And you keep dodging my 2 questions. Are you going to answer them or not? Until you do, it is clear you really aren't interested in discussion, but only dodgeball, which I'm not going to play.So you agree that you claimed that a one-day believer (what we call a temporary believer) will be in heaven despite hating God. Your previous comments stated it, this last post confirms it, and your statement in the middle denied it. Well done. This is what we mean by contradictory.
This is what I posted and asked cl:
And this is what you come up with?? Didn't you understand a thing I said?
I've contradicted nothing. And you keep dodging my 2 questions. Are you going to answer them or not? Until you do, it is clear you really aren't interested in discussion, but only dodgeball, which I'm not going to play.
You have 2 serious questions before you. Answer them IF you can.
OK, let's unpack your statement here. To be clear, the Bible promises that anyone who believes is saved eternally. Do you agree or not? That is the only issue. Period.
Do you accept or reject Rom 8:38-39? Because it answers your concerns.
38For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
I bolded 2 things to help you understand the infinite grace of God: the present and the future. Paul is here saying that regardless of what comes (future), believers will not be separated from the love of Christ. Period.
Just answer my questions, please.
For all of you looking to understand "free grace" vs. "lordship salvation", and arguments for them/against them, read Charles Ryrie's So Great Salvation and John MacAurthur's The Gospel According to Jesus.
I have read MacArthur's book.
By the way, John 3:16 also says "whosoever believes" and not "whosoever believed". I'd leave this one now and concentrate on one of your other mistakes if I were you.
You sure want His healing and salvation, but you do not want anything to do with His commandments.
"Jesus, you go mix the ingredients, put the bread into the oven, and take it out when it is done. Just call me when you have it ready to eat.
And what the heck do you mean by striving to enter the narrow gate? And what is this keeping your commandments to inherit eternal life? You must be speaking of someone else; it sounds like you haven't heard the gospel Paul preaches. Jesus, I advise you to amend your teachings to correlate with Paul's grace teachings."
You clearly don't understand the Gospel... you're promoting a works salvation.
Caught him in a contradiction!So you agree that you claimed that a one-day believer (what we call a temporary believer) will be in heaven despite hating God. Your previous comments stated it, this last post confirms it, and your statement in the middle denied it. Well done. This is what we mean by contradictory.
You clearly don't understand the Gospel... you're promoting a works salvation.
Jesus promoted a works salvation. I guess you think He didn't understand the gospel either.
Paul's gospel promoted salvation without works, not the gospel Jesus preached.
Did I ever say I don't have to obey them? I said Jesus obeyed them for me, perfectly. I never said "Now I don't have to obey them!!! LOLZ"
Then what was the point of the cross?
Actually what would be interesting is for you to answer my earlier post. Here it is again:What did Jesus say was the point of the cross? This will be interesting.
The ironic thing is, you MUST believe Paul's writings are inspired, or your salvation, no, your WHOLE theology and belief system is hanging on the line.
This prevents you from testing any of Paul's writings to see if they are true. You must accept them, whether false or true. You must take Paul's words as truth, even though Paul called himself a liar and a deceiver.
Thus, Paul keeps you in bondage to his gospel.
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