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You may be a "true" Biblicist, but I'm a staunch one. That means I'm more of one than you.
Paul didn't call himself a liar. Not without rhetoric, anyway. Most people understand that.
Why did Jesus have to die?
Why did Jesus have to die?
What I understand is that Jesus is the Truth, and did not lie for God's glory or otherwise. Sorry, lying is forbidden by God; is this how you see it, or do you think it is permissible to lie?
I guess you can deny what Paul himself said; we tend to overlook the faults of our heroes. Perhaps you would like to juggle words around to justify Paul's lying. So go ahead, knock yourself out.
Also, those who lie, tend to forget what they have said earlier. Would you mind telling me how many versions of Paul's conversion did he tell others? By the way, they all are different.
Romans 3:7
For if the truth of God has increased through my lie to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?
Here we go. Instead of answering my questions, you take a side road. I'm not going there. Please stay with what I asked. Thank you.
So, just an interesting observation. Here we have a man (who hates Calvinism) on FreeGrace2's thread teaching that Paul's words aren't inspired. Do you think FreeGrace2 is actually going to correct him on this error? Of course not. FreeGrace2 is going to pretend he doesn't see it. Why? Because by doing so, he has gained a comrade that will aid him on his crusade to make Calvinism look as ugly as he possibly can.
Amazing how many times I've seen this on these forums. Someone can come along and promote the most ungodly, horrific teaching known to man, but hey, if he hates Calvinism, well, the attitude of the synergists (and the like) is like "Hey! Welcome to the discussion brother!" All error gets a free pass as long as the one promoting it hates Calvinism.
Except God by his Holiness and our sinfulness makes it an issue, one which he answers through the Cross. The prophet Isaiah emphatically lays the foundation upon which it is improper for the Creature (in this case you) to claim that God is doing wrong by differentiating based on his own whims when he talks of the clay answering back to the potter saying "your work has no handles," that is after all what you are doing when you say that God uses sin as an excuse.
I can disprove your position without needing Paul,
people just find it easier to deal with Paul because he's pretty no-nonsense about dealing with everything.
I'd still like to see a list of the books you see as canonical so I know just how to address you.
So when you claim Paul's words aren't inspired, do you think Peter is lying? 2Peter 3:15-16
He actually told the Jews to obey the commandments.
The real point is that you don't know what you are talking about. Sad.The point is, you believe God haters will be in heaven.
The real question is: show me one verse that says that a person who no longer believes loses salvation, isn't saved, etc. Ya got one, bud?John 3:16 is a perfect example of what I'm saying. Show me one instance where the Bible teaches a person who no longer believes is saved.
I'll, uh, translate for you. But maybe you don't believe, as ASK doesn't believe Paul, or Paul's use of verb tenses (reference to Acts 16:31). That help?But maybe you don't believe Paul, like ASK and his use of verb tenses, huh.
Really. You just made a case for present tense. So how does it? Your claim is only an opinion without support.Great verse. Pisteuson in that verse is an aorist, active verb. Totally refutes your theology.
He never believed. He's not in heaven. You are the one to claim he was saved. And you dodged my question for evidence. Quit waffling.According to your theology he is.
QUOTE=FreeGrace2;64084035]I've been consistent throughout, as you well know.
He never believed. He's not in heaven. You are the one to claim he was saved. And you dodged my question for evidence. Quit waffling.
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Why ask me? I never said anything close to that.So why will someone who hates God be in heaven?
OK, let's unpack your statement here. To be clear, the Bible promises that anyone who believes is saved eternally. Do you agree or not? That is the only issue. Period.You claim that anyone who once believed is saved.
Do you accept or reject Rom 8:38-39? Because it answers your concerns.This (by definition) must include those who have forsaken their belief and who die hating God. Ergo, according to you there are people in heaven who hate God.
Just answer my questions, please.Spin it how you want, it's what you said and is now what (as usual) you're contradicting.
OK, let's unpack your statement here. To be clear, the Bible promises that anyone who believes is saved eternally. Do you agree or not? That is the only issue. Period.
Do you accept or reject Rom 8:38-39? Because it answers your concerns.
38For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
I bolded 2 things to help you understand the infinite grace of God: the present and the future. Paul is here saying that regardless of what comes (future), believers will not be separated from the love of Christ. Period.
Just answer my questions, please.
So you agree that you claimed that a one-day believer (what we call a temporary believer) will be in heaven despite hating God. Your previous comments stated it, this last post confirms it, and your statement in the middle denied it. Well done. This is what we mean by contradictory.
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