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It was a general agreement that in return for us not calling you the Arminian you are, you would stop labelling us Calvinists.
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If I recall, it was you who didn't want to be called a Calvinist. There are others on this thread and forum who haven't requested any change.
So we now have the truth; God has decided NOT to save those in hell.
OP confirmed.
The Bible states over and over, man should seek God in order to find Him. I ask, did you seek God with your whole heart in order to find Him?
Some truths are "inconvenient".God lucky? Hardly. It was YOU who was lucky enough to be chosen by God. Why is it so hard for you to remember your doctrine?
Sad. It's been explained numerous times to you. Those NOT CHOSEN have that excuse.Nope. It's not an excuse. Still waiting for an explanation from you, though.
It's the truth, but just an inconvenient one.Nope. Still not an excuse.
OK, flip side. Why are sinners in hell? I know you'll default to "because they are sinners", totally ignoring the FACT that the ones in heaven are also sinners.Because God loves them.
Only in Calvinism is there any excuse for those in hell. They weren't chosen, remember? From your own theology, no less. So why do you say "supposed" when the excuse is REAL in your theology?All this yammering about a supposed "excuse" for hell-dwellers is beyond curious, all the way to ridiculous. So what? it doesn't help them., it doesn't change anything, it doesn't impugn God's character at all.
It's pretty clear that your statement comes from your own wild imagination.All from a guy who imagines himself some sort of "great crusader" against Calvinism.
Sure, we've already been quite accurate. What you point out is correct. But we all know that all men are sinners. But Calvinism's doctrines of election and limited atonement provide an excuse for those in hell. They weren't chosen for the things you have pointed out.Can we be more accurate? There are former sinners who have been Justified, Sanctified and Glorified in Heaven, they are repentant and have faith.
Not the point, and it doesn't remove the fact that Calvinism provides an excuse for those in hell.In Hell there are present sinners, they are not repentant and have no faith.
Well, thanks for that! You yourself have just asffirmed the OP. Since it is God who did all that choosing, that forms the excuse for the hell dwellers.I do believe in "all that 'election' stuff" and that God chose some for salvation and some for damnation.
Actually, not so much. In fact, not at all.Why wouldn't I when that's how God has revealed he has and continues to deal with his creatures in Holy Writ
Here's the real question for you. What verse LIMITS His death for ONLY the believers? You got one?You seem to be a little behind the curve here. Jesus died for those who believe.
I would suggest more study for you. Sins aren't forgiven by His death, if you think so. If they were, then, yes, universalism would be true. But it's not, though He did die for everyone.He didn't die to have the sins of non-believers forgiven, or they wouldn't be in hell.
It's always a laugh when a Calvinism hides behind some idea of "unjustness" when their theology is rife with it. LOLIt would be unjust to punish men whose sins were forgiven. People are in hell because they are sinners, not because somebody didn't do something.
It is incorrect to call those who have been Justified, Sanctified and Glorified sinners, they have been transformed and there is no way that they can not be in Heaven.Sure, we've already been quite accurate. What you point out is correct. But we all know that all men are sinners. But Calvinism's doctrines of election and limited atonement provide an excuse for those in hell. They weren't chosen for the things you have pointed out.
So the fact that they (while in hell) continue in sin is of no import to the discussion of them having an "excuse"? Sure they are going to try and accuse God, but it is a baseless accusation, they continue to be at enmity with God. Your theology would have us believe that there are people in Hell who are no longer at enmity with God, is that what you're saying? Or is it that there are people in Heaven who are still at enmity with God?Not the point, and it doesn't remove the fact that Calvinism provides an excuse for those in hell.
Well, thanks again for the pleasurable opportunity to be able to correct errors from the Calvinists.And why are men in hell under your theology? Because they weren't "lucky" enough to believe.
And you have no excuse for your disingenuous and silly claim.That's their excuse.
Really? How would you know? LOLSome of them tried to believe but couldn't.
Your unbiblical doctrines of election and limited atonement are ALL ABOUT excuses. So don't tell me what not to talk about.When I was an atheist I envied Christians in their ability to believe. I remember long hours of analysis, trying to understand so that I might join them.
Only when God unexpectedly reached out to me years later did I recognise him.
So don't talk about excuses.
Ya got a verse on that, bro?To believe or not to believe isn't a real choice until God says it is.
Well, of course you have to deny that. You know, for propriety's sake.We don't believe in luck y'all.
What's real funny about that is that the Bible clearly tells us who He chooses to save. 1 Cor 1:21 is real clear. Your theology has screwed that all around to mean that He chooses who will believe.We believe that God made his choices based on reasons only He knows.
Again, thanks for another wonderful opportunity to correct the errors of Calvinists. Y'all make a bunch, for sure.We're not "lucky" to be saved - we're blessed. And that includes you. You should be on your knees in thanks, not patting yourself on the back for your wise decision.
What a ridiculous question! Of course not.Do you believe that salvation is decided by pure chance? Because we certainly don't.
No such thing. If was griff who didn't want to be labeled a Calvinist. I never got that request from anyone else.It was a general agreement that in return for us not calling you the Arminian you are, you would stop labelling us Calvinists.
Rom 3:23 says for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.It is incorrect to call those who have been Justified, Sanctified and Glorified sinners, they have been transformed and there is no way that they can not be in Heaven.
Eh, "continue to sin"? Where do you get that bit of "insight"?So the fact that they (while in hell) continue in sin is of no import to the discussion of them having an "excuse"?
I've never been there, and not going, so I'm not the one to ask. But we do have a glimpse of what you ask, and it came from Jesus Himself.Sure they are going to try and accuse God, but it is a baseless accusation, they continue to be at enmity with God. Your theology would have us believe that there are people in Hell who are no longer at enmity with God, is that what you're saying? Or is it that there are people in Heaven who are still at enmity with God?
Sad. It's been explained numerous times to you. Those NOT CHOSEN have that excuse.
But inconvenient truths are kinda hard to deal with, which explains all the denials we see here.
It's the truth, but just an inconvenient one.
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