Calvinism, explained.

EmSw · Mar 12, 2016

tulipbee said:
What God wills, he will get. He knows who the elects are based on his will

I suppose no one perishes according to your understanding.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.

sdowney717 · Mar 12, 2016

Patmos said:
This is really confusing. Surely salvation benefits unbelievers. Were we born believers ? John Calvin says no !

But staying in the present dimension, this is what the Bible says -

"Luke 15:10 In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents."

Amen

Then they are believers, only believers who trust in Christ obtain salvation, since they are elect.
Unbelievers do not have any salvation, since they are not of the elect.
God foreknew us who believe as believers before we were born, read Ephesians 1

Notice, Paul writes this 'to the saints'

Ephesians 1

To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:

2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Redemption in Christ
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenlyplaces in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

IF God has chose yourself in HIM from before the world was made, then you will be a saved believer. IF God has not chosen you in HIM before the foundation of the world, then you will never believe and repent. God is a 'know it all' and a determinator of all things, all things serve and obey Him.

Hebrews 2
Bringing Many Sons to Glory
10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

All things are of God
Romans 11
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever.
Amen.

Blessed are you by God if you believe in Christ they only begotten Son of God.

tulipbee · Mar 12, 2016

Patmos said:
Yet when asked for Biblical references to your diatribe you have none !

A birds eye view. The whole bible references. You need wisdom to read it

tulipbee · Mar 12, 2016

EmSw said:
I suppose no one perishes according to your understanding.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.

You're the one that said Jesus will save every man, all men. That means no one perishes according to you. That was a stupid response!

EmSw · Mar 12, 2016

tulipbee said:
You're the one that said Jesus will save every man, all men. That means no one perishes according to you. That was a stupid response!

I never said that.

tulipbee · Mar 12, 2016

EmSw said:
I never said that.

Sure ya did

EmSw · Mar 13, 2016

tulipbee said:
Sure ya did

No need for false accusations. Ask any of your Calvinist friends if I said that.

tulipbee · Mar 14, 2016

EmSw said:
No need for false accusations. Ask any of your Calvinist friends if I said that.

You wasted my time. Thanks a lot. You use "if you do nothing for your salvation” blah blah blah.

Thursday · Mar 14, 2016

thatbrian said:
No one seeks after God.

Jesus draws all men to himself. He stands at the door and knocks.

God wants all men to be saved. His grace has appeared to all men.

God seeks us. It is up to us to respond to his free gift of grace or to reject it.

Thursday · Mar 14, 2016

tulipbee said:
I'm a 5 pointer that lines with the Bible as proven with bible quotes

Five points Calvinism is unbiblical.

It directly contradicts the teachings of Jesus.

We will be judged for our actions. Our salvation is conditional.
God shows no impartiality. All men will be judged.

EmSw · Mar 14, 2016

tulipbee said:
You wasted my time. Thanks a lot. You use "if you do nothing for your salvation” blah blah blah.

What does this have to do with your accusation?

"You're the one that said Jesus will save every man, all men."

tulipbee · Mar 14, 2016

Thursday said:
Five points Calvinism is unbiblical.

It directly contradicts the teachings of Jesus.

We will be judged for our actions. Our salvation is conditional.
God shows no impartiality. All men will be judged.

Sorry, it's backed with bible quotes. LOTS of them !

Patmos · Mar 14, 2016

tulipbee said:
A birds eye view. The whole bible references. You need wisdom to read it

Actually one needs a pair of eyes rather than an inflated ego to read it.

And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

Thursday · Mar 14, 2016

tulipbee said:
Sorry, it's backed with bible quotes. LOTS of them !

Wrong. Calvin is not a scripture writer.

Proof of that Calvinism contradicts the bible:

Luke 12:47
47"And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes,48but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.

John 1510
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love.

Romans 2
6God will repay each person according to what they have done. 7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

Patmos · Mar 14, 2016

sdowney717 said:
Then they are believers, only believers who trust in Christ obtain salvation, since they are elect.
Unbelievers do not have any salvation, since they are not of the elect.
God foreknew us who believe as believers before we were born, read Ephesians 1.....

Notice, Paul writes this 'to the saints'

"Foreknew"... WOWSER.. You are a Arminian. Excellent, me too.

IF God has chose yourself in HIM from before the world was made, then you will be a saved believer. IF God has not chosen you in HIM before the foundation of the world, then you will never believe and repent. .

Hmm, not so good. Lets hear from Jesus Christ

2 Peter 3:9" The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

OK That was about the Lord and not direct from Jesus. Notice though the word 'all'. A standard dodge is to claim 'all' does not mean 'all'. Does not work though as 'anyone' means... well what the verse says.

Luke 19:10 New American Standard Bible and this is what Jesus said:-
"For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost."

Notice , Sdowey, he is not saying the elect were lost.

Patmos · Mar 14, 2016

tulipbee said:
Sure ya did

"some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God.

TB, I cut ad pasted this from an online Bible.

Patmos · Mar 14, 2016

tulipbee said:
You must understrasnd the 4th demension. If you don't understand what God being past, present and future at the same time mean then you're not effectually called. You're only hearing the general call made to every single man on Earth. You haven't responded based on God's will, not man's. Your boasting is proof you're still in that state. Maybe you'll be convicted by the holy spirit tommorow but if, tommorow, you post the same boastings then we'll need to pray for you.

Still no verses on the 4th dimension.
I wonder why. Actually, no I don't

sdowney717 · Mar 14, 2016

Patmos said:
Still no verses on the 4th dimension.
I wonder why. Actually, no I don't

Ephesians 3 mentions a fourth dimension.
Appreciation of the Mystery
14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— 19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

Which mystery Paul mentions earlier
Purpose of the Mystery
8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, 11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord, 12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him. 13 Therefore I ask that you do not lose heart at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.

And I am very much a Calvinist in theology.

sdowney717 · Mar 14, 2016

Patmos said:
"Foreknew"... WOWSER.. You are a Arminian. Excellent, me too.

Hmm, not so good. Lets hear from Jesus Christ

2 Peter 3:9" The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

OK That was about the Lord and not direct from Jesus. Notice though the word 'all'. A standard dodge is to claim 'all' does not mean 'all'. Does not work though as 'anyone' means... well what the verse says.

Luke 19:10 New American Standard Bible and this is what Jesus said:-
"For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost."

Notice , Sdowey, he is not saying the elect were lost.

2 Peter 3:9, see read in context the Peter is writing to the 'beloved' who are the 'elect' who will be saved in the future.
God does not wait patiently for those He knows will never repent. He is only concerned with the saving of His foreknown elect who will obtain salvation.

Luke 19:10, Jesus comes to seek and to save that which was lost, which would be the 'lost sheep'.
Jesus comes to die for the sheep to give them eternal life, that would be the lost sheep only that are becoming the saved sheep of Christ.
Not all people are sheep, Jesus is the great Shepherd of the sheep. Jesus does not shepherd the lost who are the goats, serpents, scorpions and devils.

Thursday · Mar 14, 2016

sdowney717 said:
2 Peter 3:9, see read in context the Peter is writing to the 'beloved' who are the 'elect' who will be saved in the future.
God does not wait patiently for those He knows will never repent. He is only concerned with the saving of His foreknown elect who will obtain salvation.

You are just making things up that aren't in the bible.

The bible says the opposite of what you are saying.

Doesn't that bother you?

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