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Oblio

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CC radio also has regular appearances by Dave Hunt. Raul Reis of CC is also another with definite anti-Catholic* tendencies.


I agree with the Nestorian charge against Laurie too. I recall on one of his Truth about Mary shows when he actually said that Mary only gave birth to the human part of Jesus .

* By anti-Catholic I mean they bear false witness to Catholic faith and practice. On occasion they do this WRT to Orthodoxy (esp. Skip Hietzig who claims to be ex Orthodox), though we are not on their radar screen (yet).
 
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Isaiah 53 said:
I have never seen it done once...honestly!

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!
I have. I'm probably one of the few Protestants that watches that channel


All we get here is KWAVE, is that the same? I never listen to it anyways.


I agree with the Nestorian charge against Laurie too. I recall on one of his Truth about Mary shows when he actually said that Mary only gave birth to the human part of Jesus .
Yep. I'm suprised that it hasn't shown up on the heresy-hunter sites yet. I'll probably have to add it to my own
 
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I watch EWTN, too, Lotar! Any time things get too anti-Protestant or anti-Orthodox I turn the channel, just as I would if I heard a Protestant minister demeaning Catholics. IMO, it is NEVER okay to be hurtful to anyone who loves our Lord (not that any of us is ever perfect in this regard--I myself often fail miserably).
 
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Lotar said:
I have. I'm probably one of the few Protestants that watches that channel
I would watch it if I got it. Unfortunately, in my area, you can get Trinity Broadcasting on basic cable (that's where I've seen Laurie), but to get EWTN, you have to pay for digital cable or satellite. I do watch their live feed on the Internet sometimes.
 
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Isaiah 53 said:
I have never seen it done once...honestly!

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!
I just saw it done the other day. As far as EWTN reaches, an anti-Protestant statement only needs to be done once and it will create a huge backlash of anti-Catholic statements in return.

I don't think we as Catholics can complain all that much about anti-Catholicism when anti-Protestantism still exists among us.

While I am now reunited with the Catholic Church, I am still very impressed with Calvary Chapel, especially Calvary Chapel Ft. Lauderdale. I think many Catholic Churchs could learn a lot from watching successful Calvary Chapels and vice versa.
 
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Greeter said:
I don't think we as Catholics can complain all that much about anti-Catholicism when anti-Protestantism still exists among us.


And the same goes for anti-Catholic sentiments among Protestants . . . we could ALL use some time in the mirror removing those planks
 
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Calvary Chapel teaches the doctrine of literalism, that the Bible says what it means more-or-less. This, IMO, is an extremely dangerous belief; it is illogical (circular reasoning) and it ignores the rich metaphore, hyperbole, and symbolism that the Bible contains. It also ignores centuries-old accurate understanding and interpretations as well, a part of the Christian heritage.


I find it curious you capitalize "his" when you are speaking about your pastor. From my research, I've learned that Calvary Chapel is extremely emotionally-driven, which, IMO, isn't very healthy. A lot of this emotionally-driven feavor comes from the direction of the pastor with the sermon. Despite the fact that they have no seminary training and their core beliefs must agree with those of the denomination's founder, the people just nod and agree I've noticed. The pastors have no training in the languages either and its a KJVO church. I personally find this very, very scary.


By "colorful," I mean "colorful." I don't want to say anything more than may violate CF rules.

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As far as Jesus's divinity, it is more important than His humanity because He was fully God and fully man.

That is self-contradictory and extremely heterodox. Jesus is equally God and equally Man. Equally Divine and equally human. His humanity is just as important as his Divinity and visa versa. He wasn't an illusion, He didn't give up any of His divinity, and He wasn't any less a human. Without an complete and equal balance, Jesus could not have been the Savior. Please reread the Creed of St. Athanasius.


Like chiliasm? Nestorianism? Montanism? Christological heresies? How do they know what is heresy without knowing the history and truth of early Christianity? Of the Early Church? Of the ancient Creeds? Of the the Ecumenical Councils? All this is a part of orthodox, traditional Christianity.

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One thing I forgot to mention is that my pastor did attend Bible school for 2 years I believe. He told a friend of mine that also attends CC where it was but honestly, I dont remember now.

Bible colleges and schools are not the same as seminaries.


I must agree whole-heartedly.


My friends who invited me are utter iconoclasts (another heresy; see the Seventh Ecumenical Council) because of Calvary Chapel. They've basically been taught that Catholics worship Mary and the Saints, etc. And from my own experiences, research, and from what I've heard from you, I'm becoming more and more worried about this church.

Again, I want to say that there may be some Calvary Chapel churches that are different from what I, Lotar, and others have described. My worries aren't of them but of the rest (most even?) of the denomination (and yes, it is a denomination; its considered to be a non-denominational charismatic renewal church). I just find it very frightening the more I learn.

**decides this will be his last post since this is becoming a little too hot of a topic for him**
 
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I have appreciated your comments, really I have. I do appreciate you discussing this with me.

God Bless,
Grace
 
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He in no way promotes or condones staying in sin or the "once saved, always saved" beliefs that many people have.

Does CC have a definitive position on OSAS/OSNAS ? Just last night on CSN, Justin Alfred was espousing OSAS to a listener that was unsure of their Salvation.
 
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Chuck Punk, then how come so much authority is pulled by its founder? And about Lotar's and others' concerns of many of its pastors preaching heresy?

True, no denomination or church is perfect, but IMO, Calvary Chapel has some issues it must face.
 
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