Calm from the Debate

[1denomination]

I would like to start by thanking all of you out there on this forum, that while we may differ in our beliefs we still remain respectfull of one another( well most of us) and I hope and pray that somehow we are all getting sharper. Forgive me that this is not exactly on topic, but I belive we could all take a moment to give thanks to one another and take off the gloves.May God bless you in all that you do.

 

[tryptophan]

I would like to start by thanking all of you out there on this forum, that while we may differ in our beliefs we still remain respectfull of one another( well most of us) and I hope and pray that somehow we are all getting sharper. Forgive me that this is not exactly on topic, but I belive we could all take a moment to give thanks to one another and take off the gloves.May God bless you in all that you do.

Amen.

 

[1denomination]

Amen.

Well at least someone actually agrees with me

 

[Vance]

Oh, I agree with this as well. The hackles get raised by TE's when Creationists (of the YEC or OEC variety), begin to assert or imply that any who do not share their interpretation of Scripture or their view of origins are suffering from some or all of these afflictions:

- they trust Man's science over God's Word
- they do not accept God's Word as it is written
- they have less faith than Creationists do
- they believe what they do out of a desire to conform to the World
- they are compromising Christians
- they prefer "darkness" to "light" (a recent one)

This is all complete and utter nonsense, and is highly insulting to any Christian. Creationists often convey this impression (or come right out and say such things), and then expect a civil discourse.

 

[1denomination]

Funny I get something of the same sort from TE's except the list may not be as long.

 

[Vance]

Maybe so, but if we confine our discussion to the actual issues, without getting AT ALL into the strength of faith, trust, etc, then things would go much more smoothly.

Scientific evidence. Hermenuetics. Not rhetoric or conclusory statements about what "Bible-believing" Christians actually believe.

If you can't back something up, you shouldn't say it.

 

[1denomination]

well we YEC's tend to belive that the bible backs us up.

 

[Vance]

well we YEC's tend to belive that the bible backs us up.

Yes, fine, then we can discuss the exegesis and hermenuetics that cause you to arrive at the conclusion that your reading of Scripture is correct and how it supports your view of origins. That is no problem whatsoever.

But to make statements that YOU believe in Scripture and those who accept evolution don't is just wrong (and the same for all the other types of statements mentioned above), and makes civil discussion almost impossible.

 

[cweb255]

I believe that the Bible backs me up and YECs are just wrong. Wow, all of a sudden, I feel 10 lbs. dumber.

 

[1denomination]

Yes, fine, then we can discuss the exegesis and hermenuetics that cause you to arrive at the conclusion that your reading of Scripture is correct and how it supports your view of origins. That is no problem whatsoever.

But to make statements that YOU believe in Scripture and those who accept evolution don't is just wrong (and the same for all the other types of statements mentioned above), and makes civil discussion almost impossible.

Vance my friend I didnt say you dont belive in scripture. but you said we YEC's say things we cant back up. So I was simply saying that we belive that the scripture backs us up, and as I belive that the scripture is the final word on all things, to use some scientific evidence to change my belief is futile. And for that you think I stupid. Your belief is your belief I will not be held accountable for your belief. and it seems your trying to change my belief more than I'm trying to change yours.

 

[Vance]

Vance my friend I didnt say you dont belive in scripture. but you said we YEC's say things we cant back up. So I was simply saying that we belive that the scripture backs us up, and as I belive that the scripture is the final word on all things, to use some scientific evidence to change my belief is futile. And for that you think I stupid. Your belief is your belief I will not be held accountable for your belief. and it seems your trying to change my belief more than I'm trying to change yours.

Who said I thought you were stupid? And, no, I am not trying to change your belief. I am just trying to get YEC's to stop making the statements and implications I mentioned above, and just discuss the actual evidence and the Biblical interpretive issues.

Too often, YEC's will begin to discuss the issues, and then just resort to "well, if you just accepted the Bible". As if we don't.

 

[1denomination]

Who said I thought you were stupid? And, no, I am not trying to change your belief. I am just trying to get YEC's to stop making the statements and implications I mentioned above, and just discuss the actual evidence and the Biblical interpretive issues.

Too often, YEC's will begin to discuss the issues, and then just resort to "well, if you just accepted the Bible". As if we don't.

No you resort to if we would only belive the scientist. Which we dont.God Bless.

 

[GodSaves]

Seems the calm cannot be sustained. I appreciate the discussions that this forum has brought forth. It has made my faith in God and His Word being true in all area's, stronger.
May God Bless each and everyone of you.

 

[cweb255]

Who says you have to believe the scientist? You could go and do the research yourself. I mean, you think all those scientists are stupid because they don't take literally a book written by a bunch of men thousands of years ago?

 

[1denomination]

Who says you have to believe the scientist? You could go and do the research yourself. I mean, you think all those scientists are stupid because they don't take literally a book written by a bunch of men thousands of years ago?

Well yes as I belive that the book was written by men instructed by GOD.Of course judging by your atheistic(in your profile in no way am I saying your an atheist simply what your profile said.)belief, I wouldnt expect you to understand.

 

[GodSaves]

Can we stick with the OP, instead of bringing irrelevant topics into a discussion that was meant to take a moment out of the heat to express some love.

 

[1denomination]

Seems the calm cannot be sustained. .

haha guess your right.

 

[1denomination]

Can we stick with the OP, instead of bringing irrelevant topics into a discussion that was meant to take a moment out of the heat to express some love.

Thank you God Bless.

 

[Vance]

No you resort to if we would only belive the scientist. Which we dont.God Bless.

But, see this is exactly what I mean. No one has ever said that, but YOU say we say things like that. And then you post a thread like the OP in great wonderment.

Please, just discuss the scientific and hermenuetical pros and cons and leave out the rest of the polemics and rhetoric, and all would be fine.

 

[1denomination]

But, see this is exactly what I mean. No one has ever said that, but YOU say we say things like that. And then you post a thread like the OP in great wonderment.

Please, just discuss the scientific and hermenuetical pros and cons and leave out the rest of the polemics and rhetoric, and all would be fine.

But Vance my friend I've never said you just need to belive the bible, either. but none of this was the point of this thread lets please keep our kool.(and really big words to ourselves ) haha. Love ya brother.