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Having read this thread, I've got a thing or two that need to be said. I'm annoyed. I'm mad and I'm angry. That's not what I needed to say, but keep that in mind when you read the rest. This is addressed at the men here.

Historically and Biblically men are leaders. We are providers. We are protectors. It is the duty of a man to protect the weak, defend the defenceless, and generally uphold righteousness. It is our duty, as sons of God and brothers in Christ, to protect the hearts of our sisters from both the attention of un-Godly men and the nature of our own flesh.

Why then must women be constantly wary of our intentions? Why must our sisters in Christ fear for their virtue when with a man who finds them attractive? I speak not to individual men, but to all males who are part of the body of Christ. Does it not bring shame upon us that we cannot be trusted to defend the honour of our sisters?

"But I am not like that!", you say. Prehaps not, but why do we remain silent? Disrespect such as visited upon Born2run is not uncommon, even in Christian circles. Where are the men who will stand for righteousness and purity, those who will demand that their sisters be treated with respect? It is all to easy to do so on forums such as this (the irony is not lost on me), but where are the ones that stand and denounce such dishonourable behaviour before their peers, instead of laughing along with their derogatory comments about their lewd behaviour.

So, this is the call. Let us, the men of this generation, make a stand. Not just within our own hearts or upon the faceless sea of the internet, but in our workplaces, our churches, in our schools and homes. I have great hopes that many will flock to this banner, but it must first be raised by those with the courage to stand.
 

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Having read this thread, I've got a thing or two that need to be said. I'm annoyed. I'm mad and I'm angry. That's not what I needed to say, but keep that in mind when you read the rest. This is addressed at the men here.

Historically and Biblically men are leaders. We are providers. We are protectors. It is the duty of a man to protect the weak, defend the defenceless, and generally uphold righteousness. It is our duty, as sons of God and brothers in Christ, to protect the hearts of our sisters from both the attention of un-Godly men and the nature of our own flesh.

Why then must women be constantly wary of our intentions? Why must our sisters in Christ fear for their virtue when with a man who finds them attractive? I speak not to individual men, but to all males who are part of the body of Christ. Does it not bring shame upon us that we cannot be trusted to defend the honour of our sisters?

"But I am not like that!", you say. Prehaps not, but why do we remain silent? Disrespect such as visited upon Born2run is not uncommon, even in Christian circles. Where are the men who will stand for righteousness and purity, those who will demand that their sisters be treated with respect? It is all to easy to do so on forums such as this (the irony is not lost on me), but where are the ones that stand and denounce such dishonourable behaviour before their peers, instead of laughing along with their derogatory comments about their lewd behaviour.

So, this is the call. Let us, the men of this generation, make a stand. Not just within our own hearts or upon the faceless sea of the internet, but in our workplaces, our churches, in our schools and homes. I have great hopes that many will flock to this banner, but it must first be raised by those with the courage to stand.

You're making us all swoon pyrogenesis. Stop it :p
 
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Having read this thread, I've got a thing or two that need to be said. I'm annoyed. I'm mad and I'm angry. That's not what I needed to say, but keep that in mind when you read the rest. This is addressed at the men here.

Historically and Biblically men are leaders. We are providers. We are protectors. It is the duty of a man to protect the weak, defend the defenceless, and generally uphold righteousness. It is our duty, as sons of God and brothers in Christ, to protect the hearts of our sisters from both the attention of un-Godly men and the nature of our own flesh.

Why then must women be constantly wary of our intentions? Why must our sisters in Christ fear for their virtue when with a man who finds them attractive? I speak not to individual men, but to all males who are part of the body of Christ. Does it not bring shame upon us that we cannot be trusted to defend the honour of our sisters?

"But I am not like that!", you say. Prehaps not, but why do we remain silent? Disrespect such as visited upon Born2run is not uncommon, even in Christian circles. Where are the men who will stand for righteousness and purity, those who will demand that their sisters be treated with respect? It is all to easy to do so on forums such as this (the irony is not lost on me), but where are the ones that stand and denounce such dishonourable behaviour before their peers, instead of laughing along with their derogatory comments about their lewd behaviour.

So, this is the call. Let us, the men of this generation, make a stand. Not just within our own hearts or upon the faceless sea of the internet, but in our workplaces, our churches, in our schools and homes. I have great hopes that many will flock to this banner, but it must first be raised by those with the courage to stand.
I agree!
 
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Why then must women be constantly wary of our intentions? Why must our sisters in Christ fear for their virtue when with a man who finds them attractive? I speak not to individual men, but to all males who are part of the body of Christ. Does it not bring shame upon us that we cannot be trusted to defend the honour of our sisters?

"But I am not like that!", you say. Prehaps not, but why do we remain silent? Disrespect such as visited upon Born2run is not uncommon, even in Christian circles. Where are the men who will stand for righteousness and purity, those who will demand that their sisters be treated with respect? It is all to easy to do so on forums such as this (the irony is not lost on me), but where are the ones that stand and denounce such dishonourable behaviour before their peers, instead of laughing along with their derogatory comments about their lewd behaviour.

I'm sorry, but the women in this picture are what, exactly? Helpless children who cower in the corner, unable to think, move, or do the slightest thing on their own?

Most of the women I know are independent creatures who think and do as they please. I'm not going to follow them around 24/7 playing James Bond to make sure that they are safe and honored. Sorry ladies, but if you're expecting that, wake up to reality.

No matter how much you chastise or preach, there will always be such men in the christian community, just like the body will always contain some degree of every other human flaw and evilness. Making a big deal and getting angry about it after the fact may be good for getting the ladies to swoon, but it's about as effective as a band-aid is after you've cut off your arm.

Ladies, that little voice in the back of your head is usually right more than he's wrong. Unless you do plan on hiring someone to follow you around 24/7, he's your first and best line of defense.
 
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Well said pyrogenisis, if no one raised the call about these things or else everyone could say they are ignorant, we have to get this out there to the masses. Men are suppose to be our Covering, they are the ones that are suppose to protect and pray for us. To Grunt, women are not cowering or defensless for sure, but it does not mean that men should not do what God has ordained them to do. And that is to Cover the women. They are to stand in the Gap. They are to stand on the walls. Evil should have to go through them first to get to us, and if they are doing their job evil would not penetrate. The word says that women are the weaker sex, then that would mean that MAN are the stronger sex. Stronger should protect weaker, makes sense to me.
 
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Having read this thread, I've got a thing or two that need to be said. I'm annoyed. I'm mad and I'm angry. That's not what I needed to say, but keep that in mind when you read the rest. This is addressed at the men here.

Disrespect such as visited upon Born2run is not uncommon, even in Christian circles. Where are the men who will stand for righteousness and purity, those who will demand that their sisters be treated with respect?

I wasn't angry myself. I don't tend to get angry, it's not a nice trait... But I was sad. I was sad that it happened and sad that there are people like that ESPECIALLY ones who call themselves a Christian. It's no wonder that Christianity has a divorce rate of about 50%, just like in secular marriages. I'd say that needs some improvin' upon! I'd say more men need to indeed stand up for righteousness in Christ's name. It's not enough to just be nice & to go to church... what about trying to be like Christ? Yes, it is impossible... but isn't that what all men should strive for?

Pyrogenesis is right about such immoral behavior... it should not be tolerated. That person spoken about SHOULD BE HUNG ON THE TOWN SQUARE.... okay, maybe that's a little extreme. But the point is if you (you whoever is reading this) knows someone who acts in such a terrible manner towards someone, what are you gonna do? Pray for them? That wouldn't hurt but how are they gonna learn if someone doesn't tell them what they're doing is wrong? Do you pray for the child who scribbles in permanent marker on the wall asking God to make the child stop? Or do you teach that child not to scribble on the wall?

Teach with words and lead by example. You can't do one or the other. It's gotta be both.
 
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I agree. Thank you. I'm not a helpless child who needs "protection" or someone to "follow me around", but I would like to be respected. I would like to be treated with dignity. I would like not be be played. Honestly , I think that's missing from both Christian men and women- common respect for each other. I do think men are leaders, and in relationships they have a great opportunity to lead in the right and God honoring way.
 
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I'm sorry, but the women in this picture are what, exactly? Helpless children who cower in the corner, unable to think, move, or do the slightest thing on their own?

Women in this picture are our friends, our sisters and our equals. But when they choose to open their hearts to us and place their trust in us, we need to have the honour and responsibility to respect that. I'm not talking about some towering, condescending masculinity here. I'm talking about being trustworthy enough so that women do not have to fear for their purity when in our company.

Like it or not, men take the lead in relationships. It's usually us who make the first move. We approach offering what we have, and if the lady finds us worthy of trust then it is our duty to honour that trust.

Look at it this way; an armoured knight approaches a princess, offering protection for her on a dangerous journey. Here the man makes the first move, offering what he has. This is his moment of weakness; in offering to escort the lady he faces the risk of rejection. The princess must first decide the knight's worthiness; is it safe to travel with this man? Does he have what it takes to protect me, is he honourable enough for me to trust? If she chooses him as her escort, she is making herself vulnerable to him, because she is in no way a match for his physical strength and must rely on his honour to keep her safe. The knight is now entrusted with the life of the princess; she has chosen him, and it is his solemn duty to protect and honour her life, even above his own.

Think of it like that; I know I do. The world doesn't; the boundaries of duty have been erroded, and honour is a word long forgotten in the face of personal gain. But that doesn't mean it's right. If I must, I alone will bring it back to the way it should be.
 
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Women in this picture are our friends, our sisters and our equals. But when they choose to open their hearts to us and place their trust in us, we need to have the honour and responsibility to respect that. I'm not talking about some towering, condescending masculinity here. I'm talking about being trustworthy enough so that women do not have to fear for their purity when in our company.

Like it or not, men take the lead in relationships. It's usually us who make the first move. We approach offering what we have, and if the lady finds us worthy ot trust then it is our duty to honour that trust.

Look at it this way; an armoured knight approaches a princess, offering protection for her on a dangerous journey. Here the man makes the first move, offering what he has. This is his moment of weakness; in offering to escort the lady he faces the risk of rejection. The princess must first decide the knight's worthiness; is it safe to travel with this man? Does he have what it takes to protect me, is he honourable enough for me to trust? If she chooses him as her escort, she is making herself vulnerable to him, because she is in no way a match for his physical strength and must rely on his honour to keep her safe. The knight is now entrusted with the life of the princess; she has chosen him, and it is his solemn duty to protect and honour her life, even above his own.

Think of it like that; I know I do. The world doesn't; the boundaries of duty have been erroded, and honour is a word long forgotten in the face of personal gain. But that doesn't mean it's right. If I must, I alone will bring it back to the way it should be.

So true. You will not be alone in bring it back to the way it should.:p
 
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I wasn't angry myself. I don't tend to get angry, it's not a nice trait...

I think you'll find that Jesus got angry several times. At least once in Matthew 21:12 when He trashed the money-lenders tables in the temple. It's alright to be angry, but it is not supposed to provoke someone to uncontrolled violence. It must be tempered with love. Sounds wierd, but consider the root of Jesus' anger; He was angry with the money-lenders because they had turned His Fathers house into a 'den of theives' (Matthew 21:13), and He loved His Father too much to see His house dishonoured. Think of David and Goliath; David loved his God too much to see Him slandered by a Phillestine. Love for God drove him to anger against unrighteousness, and that love killed a 10 foot giant.

Anger is good, it motivates us to right wrongs. I started this thread because I was angry at the way my sister was treated, and should the time come anger will motivate me to stop many an unrighteous act.
 
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Women in this picture are our friends, our sisters and our equals. But when they choose to open their hearts to us and place their trust in us, we need to have the honour and responsibility to respect that. I'm not talking about some towering, condescending masculinity here. I'm talking about being trustworthy enough so that women do not have to fear for their purity when in our company.

Wow...

:crossrc:I want a man like you.
 
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