Calling all Non-Christians!!

[Bonhoffer]

Calling all Non-Christians!!​

A question to non-Christians! This includes:- atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Pagans, Buddhists etc.... etc......

I would really like to know what is your main problem/issue with Christianity.

What puts you personally off Christianity the most ? ​

Its okay! You can be honest. Just vote in the poll and add comments later if you wish.

 

[MoonlessNight]

I don't really see any reason to believe in the divinity of Christ (or that his sacrifice was necessary even if he wasn't God), so I guess that's a Christian teaching I disagree with. And that's quite a big hurdle to accepting the religion.

 

[Spaise]

You have to have an other or all of the above.

I can't understand why they choose to turn a blind eye to everything against their religion. At least think about it.

 

[Arikay]

My answer would be Fundies and I have my own faith.

 

[Peiper]

While I chose: "It simply doesn’t make sense. Christianity is illogical."
I would rather it read: "It simply doesn’t make sense. Christianity is irrational."

Since you ask...

I would have a hard time accepting Christianity even if I could resolve theism in general. I have always wondered at the fact that historical Europeans were attracted to such a foreign faith. Constantine, Clovis, and forced conversion aside, why would Europeans leave their respective indigenous, dynamic, and life-affirming faiths for such an alien, middle-eastern, and harsh faith?

If I were to accept the premise of theism, I would be drawn to the Norse gods. I have always loved Norse Eddas and Sagas. Their faith is so much more energetic. Their cosmology reflects the fact that Europeans have never lived in the desert. Rather nature is an intrinsic part of their consideration and worship. They celebrate the best in Man. While Christianity glorifies pacifism, weakness, poverty, and teaches you that you are incapable of resolving your own "sin," the Norse system glorifies freedom, strength, beauty, and a particular desire to uphold oaths (personal accountability).

Also lacking is the dualism so pervasive in Christianity. It makes sense that Christianity is such a harsh and dualistic religion. It is a religion born in a desert. Deserts themselves are dualistic environments. However, the Europeans experienced seasonal change. In the Norse system, no one figure is absolutely good or evil. Even Loki, who causes many problems, can be considered a "shade of grey."

I will always hold Christianity accountable for the destruction they have caused. I will never be able to forgive the forced conversions, the eradication of other religions, the inquisitions, the cleansing of cultures, and the burning of libraries in Europe. My intellectualism gasps when I consider all that we have lost.

In a silent way, I celebrate the last resistance the European mind showed to the invading Christians. June 8th, 793 CE is the day that Lindisfarne was sacked. Aside from celebrating nature by observing the Solstices and Equinoxes (which have more to do with your holiday calendar than you think), my friends and I raise a glass and celebrate Lindisfarne Day

 

[Loki]

I'm Loki!

Anyway, I, too, find it irrational, when taken literally. I'm okay with a lot of it if taken mythologically or symbolically, and consider myself sort of a Spongian Christian/Catholic atheist.

 

[Sanguine]

Illogical, historically inaccurate, fundies, etc

 

[Jeszaramuhamadarthamusrex]

The problem with all relgions of the world is that they revlove around the idea that humans are God's special creation. They think that life revolves around humanity. All the animals on earth and the universe were created by God, but mankind is most important of all creation. Man only makes up a small portion of the world, considering all the millions of organisms inhabiting the earth, even the earth is but a speck in the universe. And since there has to be a creator of the earth, because how did we get here? Well who created God? There had to be a beginning of God right? It's just silly to say that someone as complex as God didn't have a creator before him? People just don't appear out of no where, so God had to be created. I'm sorry, but religion is a human conception, it does not correlate with nature or reality in any coherent way, it only applies to mankind!

 

[Dyrwen]

I voted the "Christian beleifs are too narrow-minded and doctrinal. " Which in and of itself included the last option too, since I feel their narrow minded doctrinal thoughts on homosexuality and the role of women is a bad stance to take.

I don't live to stop myself from "sinning" because many of the sins are things that can bring me great comfort, satisfaction or distraction. The way one lives for the laws of one's God rather than the laws of oneself is my main objection to Christianity. I've little moral code and Christianity has a large one, together we just don't fit.

Outside of the psychotic believers who take the OT God's word as true and kill millions of people in the present and the past, the somewhat questionable existence of said deity, as well as the various forced belief they push upon those without a religion or a different religion, I've nothing entirely too wrong with the whole lot of it.

And yes, I'm aware not all Christians are apart of all I've said above. There are 30,000 denominations, I can't appease them all without a generalization somewhere.

 

[Cameron]

I find the emotional nature and actions of a God claiming perfection illogical. The linear view of existance. The seemingly unfair condemnation and absolute judgement of sentient beings by a God called infinatly loving yet in a system he himself is supposed to have created. The uncertain nature of people claiming to be his followers through history. Any persecution or manipulation in His name. The variation in interpretation. And reliance on an external source for salvation. I respect and support the positive aspects of Christianity, But these things I don't agree with or have trouble finding the logic in.

 

[Spike~]

You shoulda made the poll mulitple choice.

The hyprocritical lifestyle of many Christians.
The Doctrine of Hell. (for non-Christians)
Its a dull faith.
It simply doesnt make sense. Christianity is illogical.
Christian beleifs are too narrow-minded and doctrinal.
I have issue with Christian teaching. (i.e on Homosexuality, the role of women etc...)

Above are all of the reasons on that poll that I dislike Christianity.

 

[Hydra009]

Doesn't make sense (esp. contradictions in the nature of God)
Problem of Hell and problem of evil
bigotry/violence in the name of Christianity (this encompasses homosexuality, women, intolerance of other beliefs, vilification of contraception, etc etc)

 

[Arthra]

I really couldn't answer any of the questions on the poll as they are all extremely negative and that's not how I feel about Christians....

As a Baha'i (a non-Christian) I believe in Jesus and in the inspiration of the Bible... I think that there is in reality only one religion that has manifested itself over time in various places and that Christianity is a stage in that one religions developement, Islam is another stage and so on....

I also know many Christians and associate with them a good deal and most of them I find to be be very sincere people who contribute to their community.. so as a non-Christian, a Baha'i, I have good feelings for Christianity.

There are those I notice who disagree with other Christians and try to allege that these Christians are going to hell maybe or are indeed not Christians after all....

This too is perplexing and I think very sad indeed.

- Art

 

[Heathen Dawn]

The doctrine of hell for non-Christians. If this isn’t a gaping hole in morality and compassion, then I don’t know what is.

 

[Kira Faye]

There definatly needs to be an all of the above button........Plus I have my own belief so thats what I voted.

 

[Skellybones]

Calling all Non-Christians!!​

A question to non-Christians! This includes:- atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Pagans, Buddhists etc.... etc......

I would really like to know what is your main problem/issue with Christianity.

What puts you personally off Christianity the most ? ​

Its okay! You can be honest. Just vote in the poll and add comments later if you wish.

The provincial view of things mainly. Hypocrisy is a word that usually gets thrown into religious discussions concerning christianity--however I refuse to use it because everyone (in one way or another) is or has been a hypocrite.

The items that tend to draw my ire are...

1--The anti-Occult banter that gets oh, so tiresome. Few christians allow themselves to understand the Occult, most attribute it to a fictional goat-headed villain which is most certainly not the case. I never argue about anything that I've no knowledge of, and I think it is absurdly stupid to take that attitude simply because your minister and/or Jerry Fallwell said so.

2--Monotheism. Not my bag, don't like it--not realistic. I'll not elaborate any further.

3--The Afterlife. A two-way road, I don't think so. You are in charge of where your soul goes once it has grown weary of playing the role we call our life.

...there are also other bits that annoy me like the real nutjobs that show up protesting musicians/movies/etc., the moral and sin theory, and other insignificant bits.

You asked, I answered.

 

[Sundragon2012]

I think the whole theology as presented by mainstream Christianity is utterly senseless. Infinite, all-knowing, all-powerful, omnipresent God who creates beings who he knows will sin, then punishes them with Hell for that sin then needs to sacrifice himself to himself to make humanity right with him. The contradiction seen in the actions of God and the self-definition of God as good and loving.

Oh so many things, but that is enough of an overview.


Namaste,

Chris

 

[Nathan David]

The treatment of women and homosexuals put me off the most, as well as the suppression of sexuality; all of those combined with the claim to exclusive truth make me wary of Christianity in general. However, individual Christians and different denominations differ in how extreme they take each of those, and some don't subscribe to any of them. FWIW, those are all reasons I'm put off by Islam as well.

Of course this is separate from the reasons I don't believe in Christianity.

 

[Robby]

The doctrine of hell for non-Christians. If this isn’t a gaping hole in morality and compassion, then I don’t know what is.

Same here. I have always had a problem with this. How can I be drawn to such a horrible being? It deeply offends me.

 

[peaceful soul]

I think the whole theology as presented by mainstream Christianity is utterly senseless. Infinite, all-knowing, all-powerful, omnipresent God who creates beings who he knows will sin, then punishes them with Hell for that sin then needs to sacrifice himself to himself to make humanity right with him. The contradiction seen in the actions of God and the self-definition of God as good and loving.

Oh so many things, but that is enough of an overview.


Namaste,

Chris

You have a whole lot to learn. I would not look to mainstream Christianity for my answers either. The Bible is the bearer of truth on the issues. Opinions do not count. If you care to learn, I could help you to gain insight on your post.