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I'm kinda' watching him, because he has PURPOSELY gone poop in his crate, from being mad before and not wanting to be in there.

Rather than being mad, he is probably stressed. A lot of times, when dogs do things that we assume are "spiteful", it's really because the situation is stressing them and they don't know how to respond appropriately.

If this problem continues, I'd recommend asking for professional advice on the forum I posted earlier in this thread. It can be frustrating, but remember, this kind of thing is usually just as frustrating for the dog as it is for you. He probably just doesn't understand why the situation has changed.
 
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Rather than being mad, he is probably stressed. A lot of times, when dogs do things that we assume are "spiteful", it's really because the situation is stressing them and they don't know how to respond appropriately.

If this problem continues, I'd recommend asking for professional advice on the forum I posted earlier in this thread. It can be frustrating, but remember, this kind of thing is usually just as frustrating for the dog as it is for you. He probably just doesn't understand why the situation has changed.

Okay....I get what you are saying.

Well, hopefully, it will be better tonight and he won't stress himself out. :pray:

I've been trying to be comforting to him, that's why I've been sleeping on the floor next to him.....but it's time to start moving further away. I'm still in the same room, so he can see & hear me.....so if he starts yelping and looking like he's getting out of control, then I'll take him outside to do his thing and put him back. I guess it'll just be patience, on my part, until he adjust to me being further away. :)

He did finally calm down and just sleep/play in his crate after 2 hours (he woke up at 12am, yelped for 15 min., pooped.....I took him out & cleaned up for 10 min, took him outside, then back in his crate, he fell asleep for 2 hrs., back up and yelped at 2am, took him outside 5 min., back in crate and he was quiet until our usual 6am wake up).....so maybe tonite he'll feel better (I hope). Again :pray:
 
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Yaaaayyy!!! Success!! :clap:

Rocky did well last night, he only started yelping once around 11pm, I took him outside and right back into crate and he was quiet the rest of the night. Praise the Lord!! :bow:
I even woke HIM up at 3am to go outside to potty and he quietly stayed in there until 6am. So, it was a little change for him, but it'll make it a little easier to transition back to my bed upstairs in a little while. :holy:
 
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So, we started puppy training classes, yesterday.

Rocky got into trouble and was moved from our original spot to up front in class by the teacher, because he wouldn't stop playing with another lab puppy in the class. I know Rocky is hyper and loves other dogs, but this lab puppy was more hyper and wouldn't leave him alone. ;)

Then later as she was teaching us to get the dogs used to touch, Rocky was tired of being in the class and didn't feel like doing the 'touch exercise', so he started to be 'nippy' with me and the instructor decided to put him in her lap in a submissive state and make him continue the exercise whether he wanted to or not. :doh:

There were 5 other puppies in the class and 4 out of 5, were all good and just sat there, by their owners, patiently. Just my dog and the lab were hyper, but Rocky was the only one that was reprimanded. :( I was sooooo embarrassed!

Then, after class was over, I had to go down a food isle in PetsMart to pick up some dog food and Rocky pooped and pee'd in the isle. :o (my fault, I should've taken him outside 1st, because we were in the class for an hour.....but I'm learning. :)) I, then, took him outside to see if he had more while my daughter cleaned up the mess he made.

Rocky isn't that hyper at home, like he is out in public places......he just loves other people and dogs. Anyways, hopefully next week will be better!! I was kind of disappointed with the instructor because I did get Rocky to sit and calm down thru 1/2 the class, which she never once acknowledged......she only acknowledged when he was acting up, then she worked on her 'dominance skills'. And she is supposed to be teaching positive reinforcement training, but her class teaching skills didn't reflect that. I kept praising him when he was acting good, tho.

And he's sleeping thru the night (with one outside potty break around 2am) in the crate fine now, without me right next to him. I did have a 'setback' one or two nights, but he's doing really good now! I'm very proud of him! :thumbsup:

I'm also learning that every dog is different and what may work for one owner may not be the best for another.....you just need to get the basic 'tools' for behavior and do what works best for your dog.

God bless.....I'll update as he goes thru his puppy phase. :holy:
 
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Also....I forgot to say, she brought her dog in the class to show how well trained he is, but he is 5 years old and calm, slept thru the class and when she wanted to demonstrate certain skills, he kind of slept thru and didn't really acknowledge her commands or really want to treats she gave him. So, I don't know? Her dog seemed sweet, but I don't know if he is well-traineded or just getting old and calm, because he sure didn't seem interested in doing anything.
 
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hen later as she was teaching us to get the dogs used to touch, Rocky was tired of being in the class and didn't feel like doing the 'touch exercise', so he started to be 'nippy' with me and the instructor decided to put him in her lap in a submissive state and make him continue the exercise whether he wanted to or not. :doh:

Also....I forgot to say, she brought her dog in the class to show how well trained he is, but he is 5 years old and calm, slept thru the class and when she wanted to demonstrate certain skills, he kind of slept thru and didn't really acknowledge her commands or really want to treats she gave him. So, I don't know? Her dog seemed sweet, but I don't know if he is well-traineded or just getting old and calm, because he sure didn't seem interested in doing anything.

Hmmm, just my opinion, but I would say that the things I bolded are red flags and you should proceed with caution.

The first one....Training should be kept as positive as possible. Reprimands and negatively trying to force the dog to perform when it's bored, tired or frustrated can cause the dog to become bitter towards training and unwilling to cooperate. It can cause a normally happy, willing pup to shut down and not be willing to perform at all, which isn't something you want since that willingness to cooperate and try things is what will make training easy.

Try this exercise so you can understand what your dog is thinking....Have one of your kids or a friend (or both!) choose a simple activity for you to do, turn on a lamp, the TV, pick up your keys, things of that manner, and don't tell you what it is when you come back in the room. We'll say for example the activity is to turn on the TV. Now, it is your job to wander around the room trying to figure out what your supposed to do. If you stray away from the TV, your "trainers" are going to reprimand you by going "boooo!" and giving you thumbsdowns, but they'll stop when you are close to the TV. They'll boo you if you reach behind it, but stop if you come close to the power button. You will find out very quickly how a dog feels when all it hears is "no", "No!" and "NO!!!" during training. You can even ask your friends to physically point you in the right direction, to force you on the right path. It's frusterating and you want to give up. Same for the dog, but he WILL give up.

Now do the same activity, but have your friends clap and cheer you on when you're on the right path to turning the TV on, and instead of booing you, they'll just stop cheering if your going astray. You'll figure out what they want you to do quicker, and you won't get frustrated. Same with the dog. Positive reinforcement is more effective.

So, back to your situation with your dog....He didn't "decide" not to do the touching activity. He was bored and he proceeded to occupy himself with something else....nipping you. IMO, trying to correct him for nipping by flipping him over was unnecessary, and forcing him to do the activity anyway was unwise.

Which brings me to a second potential red flag....the trainers time management! Was she doing breaks between activities? Or was she going right from one to the next?

And the second thing I bolded....This goes hand in hand with the first red flag. A properly trained dog will be enthusiastic about performing, whether it's by nature a calm dog or not, and old dog or a young dog. If you were to see me working with Angie in a demonstration, her eyes would be bright and focused on my face the entire time, her ears would be up and attentive to what I'm saying, her tail would be wagging, her reactions to my cues would be prompt and done happily and willingly. When she's being rewarded, she LOOKS like she's being rewarded. She won't look bored, unhappy, like she's being forced or like she'd rather be taking a nap. I trained her using nothing but positive reinforcement and she too is 5 years old. The same would be for my 13 year old dog.

Now, what you saw with her dog tells me that she is not that experienced of a trainer. Her dog was well behaved, yes. But well trained? No, not if he wasn't paying a bit of attention to her or acknowledging. Second thing that clues me in is the fact that the dog wasn't interested in the treats. Motivation is huge in dog training. In order for any training to occur, you have to know what motivates your dog. If she had really worked with her own dog, she would have known that he wasn't motivated by treats and she would have been using a different method that would have woken her dog up and kept his attention.

I think you have a really good head on your shoulders and it seems you are already skeptical of her and what she's teaching. You have every right to be. By all means keep going to the class, if anything, it's a good socialization opportunity. It sounds like this trainer's knowledge is mostly book learned. So listen and try, but be using your common sense at all times. If something doesn't sound right to you, you don't have to do it. If she wants to reprimand your dog again, or if she advises you do something you aren't comfortable doing, I would suggest you calmly tell her you aren't comfortable with it and you can take care of the problem yourself.
 
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Hmmm, just my opinion, but I would say that the things I bolded are red flags and you should proceed with caution.



I think you have a really good head on your shoulders and it seems you are already skeptical of her and what she's teaching. You have every right to be. By all means keep going to the class, if anything, it's a good socialization opportunity. It sounds like this trainer's knowledge is mostly book learned. So listen and try, but be using your common sense at all times. If something doesn't sound right to you, you don't have to do it. If she wants to reprimand your dog again, or if she advises you do something you aren't comfortable doing, I would suggest you calmly tell her you aren't comfortable with it and you can take care of the problem yourself.

D, I am so glad you posted this!! :hug:

I have to admit that I did NOT like the "trainer" and her examples. :( No, she gave us no breaks during the class we had to sit there for about an hour and a half ans keep our dogs quiet and listen to her.

I felt very bad after I left the class, that I had a bad, too energetic dog that won't listen......but he is just a PUPPY doing what puppies do......and I think the class was very hard for him to deal with.......I'll see how next week goes and if I feel the same, I'm not going to continue......I'd be better on my own, with my positive training methods, because he seems to be fine at home and is starting respond to my discipline. I mean, after that class of him trying to be still and quiet for an hour and a half, he was tired and slept the rest of the day!! It was just too much for him....a puppy. And after seeing how uninterested her own dog is......that didn't give me a good example of her training!! Not once did he wave his tail, he snapped at my dog, when my dog was saying "hi".

Also, by the time, she came to demonstrate on my puppy some training excercises, she didn't spend any time with him and just figured he wasn't going to cooperate and just 'dismissed' him and gave him the treat. :doh:
 
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D, I am so glad you posted this!! :hug:

I have to admit that I did NOT like the "trainer" and her examples. :( No, she gave us no breaks during the class we had to sit there for about an hour and a half ans keep our dogs quiet and listen to her.

I felt very bad after I left the class, that I had a bad, too energetic dog that won't listen......but he is just a PUPPY doing what puppies do......and I think the class was very hard for him to deal with.......I'll see how next week goes and if I feel the same, I'm not going to continue......I'd be better on my own, with my positive training methods, because he seems to be fine at home and is starting respond to my discipline. I mean, after that class of him trying to be still and quiet for an hour and a half, he was tired and slept the rest of the day!! It was just too much for him....a puppy. And after seeing how uninterested her own dog is......that didn't give me a good example of her training!! Not once did he wave his tail, he snapped at my dog, when my dog was saying "hi".

Also, by the time, she came to demonstrate on my puppy some training excercises, she didn't spend any time with him and just figured he wasn't going to cooperate and just 'dismissed' him and gave him the treat. :doh:

Yes, no breaks and an hour of lecture and work is another red flag. An experienced trainer would know that when dealing with puppies, an hour of work and sitting still is unrealistic. She should have been at least doing 10 minutes work, then 10 minutes break and allowing plenty of time for the pups to socialize and play with each other. Even ten minutes of demanding focus is pushing it with a pup as young as Rocky, trainers of adult dogs rarely go for lessons longer than 15 minutes at a time. Your quite right that it was too much for him.

If you do decide not to continue the class, I think it'd be a great idea to get the contact information of the other puppy owners there. It would be fun to set up some puppy play dates, especially since Rocky liked playing with that lab so much :)
 
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It would be a good idea to check to see if other puppy trainning classes around-you might find one better-rather then completely given it up. it sounds like this person isn't used to trainning puppies&expecting them to have longer attention spans then what they have-and it sound like her own dog is Not socialized.
Puppy Schools in US

http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_care/dog_care/choosing_a_dog_trainer.html

http://www.e-trainingfordogs.com/
http://www.johnknowsdogs.com/

here a list of Dog trainning
http://www.yellowpages.com/mc/natio...ces--Pet-Training?search_terms=Puppy+training
 
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It would be a good idea to check to see if other puppy trainning classes around-you might find one better-rather then completely given it up. it sounds like this person isn't used to trainning puppies&expecting them to have longer attention spans then what they have-and it sound like her own dog is Not socialized.
Puppy Schools in US

http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_care/dog_care/choosing_a_dog_trainer.html

http://www.e-trainingfordogs.com/
http://www.johnknowsdogs.com/

here a list of Dog trainning
http://www.yellowpages.com/mc/natio...ces--Pet-Training?search_terms=Puppy+training

thanks for the info! :hug:

Tomorrow.....I'm going in and telling her that we HAVE to take a break every 20 min. I would LOVE to sign him up for another training class......but I'm soooooo out of money. :(

I've spent so much at the vet, just getting him well, from being in the animal shelter.....and we still have 2 more rounds of vaccinations to go.

But, I took Rocky to my daughter's school to pick her up and other people were telling me how good he is already for only being 3 mos. old. :holy:

As he's getting older, he calming down a bit and not biting/nipping as much as he used to......I'm also getting tons of helpful advice from all you guys!! Which I appreciate sooooooo much!! :hug:
 
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So, went to the training class, yesterday. I took Rocky out for 2 breaks and he did very well, in class. He was calmer and sat down thru MOST of it.....not all of it, but he is a puppy, who loves other dogs! ;)

I don't think I'm going to return to class......I don't think this gal is much of a trainer, she was trying to show dominance over the other hyper lab puppy, that kept barking in class, by standing on his leash until she wasn't able to move freely.....and the "trainer" stepped on the leash for like 5 minutes until the puppy just sat. I watched it and looked at my daughter and rolled my eyes!
Also, everything she is trying to teach us....I've already been teaching Rocky. So, it's kind of a waste of my time. I've learned my lesson that just because a person "thinks" they are a dog trainer, doesn't mean that they actually are! :eek:

Also, the "trainer" admitted to us that she has another dog at home, that refuses to listen and be an obedient dog, so she brings her other dog to class (that could care less what she does in class and sleeps thru it. :doh:)
 
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I currently have a black Labrador retriever named Amiago. We rescued him from a creul home in Brevard County, Florida. The lady had found him in the rubble of a fire, and she just threw him in a room. He has a broken tail, and we still love him, even though he is a bit special. Labs are the most friendliest of all breeds. We want to put him through either police training or training courses for abused animals.

Here is a few photos:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m148/babiigurldettrey07/PHTO0001.jpg
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m148/babiigurldettrey07/PHTO0004.jpg
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First of all, bless you for adopting! :holy: I work with rescues, fostering, webmastering, etc. and I see what wonderful dogs are available which peole throw away! You're doing the right thing, especially if this is your first dog so-to-speak, do the training class. It helps train YOU to act correctly toward him and it also helps socialize the dog (at any age!)

I always recommend a book by the Monks of New Skeet called The Art of Raising a Puppy. It's an invaluable resource on not only puppy but adult dog raising and behavior. I re-read it every time I get a new dog, and I've had MANY.
 
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I currently have a black Labrador retriever named Amiago. We rescued him from a creul home in Brevard County, Florida. The lady had found him in the rubble of a fire, and she just threw him in a room. He has a broken tail, and we still love him, even though he is a bit special. Labs are the most friendliest of all breeds. We want to put him through either police training or training courses for abused animals.

Here is a few photos:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m148/babiigurldettrey07/PHTO0001.jpg
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m148/babiigurldettrey07/PHTO0004.jpg
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m148/babiigurldettrey07/PHTO0005.jpg
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m148/babiigurldettrey07/PHTO0007.jpg
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m148/babiigurldettrey07/PHTO0012.jpg

awwww....you're puppy is cute!!! how old is he? my puppy is now 3 and 1/2 mos. and he looks similar to your doggie. He has a white chest and white on his paws.....his face looks very much like a lab, but his ears are 1/2 perky and 1/2 floppy! It's funny sometimes when he looks at you...one ear will be sticking straight up and the other is floppy! ^_^

First of all, bless you for adopting! :holy: I work with rescues, fostering, webmastering, etc. and I see what wonderful dogs are available which peole throw away! You're doing the right thing, especially if this is your first dog so-to-speak, do the training class. It helps train YOU to act correctly toward him and it also helps socialize the dog (at any age!)

I always recommend a book by the Monks of New Skeet called The Art of Raising a Puppy. It's an invaluable resource on not only puppy but adult dog raising and behavior. I re-read it every time I get a new dog, and I've had MANY.

thank you....I knew the best decision for us, would be to adopt a dog, someone else was just 'throwing away'. I guess, when, the dog owner's dog had a litter, that they didn't want they just gave them to the animal shelter a 4 weeks old. :( These people who give unexpected/unwanted litters away....should really get their dog's fixed. :doh:
 
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I agree about fixing, backyard breeding (even if just one litter) only adds to the pet overpopulation! I have never had any litters in the 20+ years I've had dogs.

Unfortunately too many people don't adopt because (as I've had someone say to me), they don't want a dog that's been thrown away, he must not be any good........! When really the problem is usually the owner!!!!!!!!!
 
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I agree about fixing, backyard breeding (even if just one litter) only adds to the pet overpopulation! I have never had any litters in the 20+ years I've had dogs.

Unfortunately too many people don't adopt because (as I've had someone say to me), they don't want a dog that's been thrown away, he must not be any good........! When really the problem is usually the owner!!!!!!!!!

Two of my dogs are rescues and they are great little dogs. Two are from accidents, people not watching their unfixed females, and one is a purebred that we bought from a backyard breeder. And I must say that the mutts are way better then the purebred, with the two rescues topping the pack. I think rescues appreciate a good home and they show it!!!! And the other thing is I never seen them having such terrible problems to deserve the treatment they have gotten. I managed to get them over their bad habits and I am not expert dog trainer for sure!
 
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Two of my dogs are rescues and they are great little dogs. Two are from accidents, people not watching their unfixed females, and one is a purebred that we bought from a backyard breeder. And I must say that the mutts are way better then the purebred, with the two rescues topping the pack. I think rescues appreciate a good home and they show it!!!! And the other thing is I never seen them having such terrible problems to deserve the treatment they have gotten. I managed to get them over their bad habits and I am not expert dog trainer for sure!

My little (turning big) rescued dog so amazing!! He's such a good dog and he's really learned and adhered to everything I've been teaching him!! He is getting calmer as he gets older and just loves people and other dogs!! I really would not go any other way, than to adopt a dog that needs a home.
And I'd rather have a mixed breed. Also, I've heard that mixed breeds, usually live longer than purebreds, as some purebreds may start having problems earlier in life with certain conditions.
 
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pics of Rocky at 4 mos......so handsome!!

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He looks very cute.he looks like he might be one of those dog that has 1 ear up & one ear down when he older!

He defiantly labrador x
He still look like he got Kelpie in him & possible a tad of shorthaired border collie too. The white paw could indicate the Border collie. Alot of border collie x have the white paws!
 
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