calling all apologists!

[Blank123]

so i run a website thats partly teaching and partly apologetic, just posting up some articles when i've got some inspiration to write and some actual time to dedicate to that and i'm actually planning my next one right now.

I had a UR(universal reconcilationist) guy from the Tentmakers crowd randomly stumble across my website yesterday and in an attempt to umm.... save my soul (i guess ) sent me a rather lengthy email complete with his testimony and several links to some rather lengthy books on the history and beliefs of UR, so i thanked him for the links and promised to read them and i'm using these as research to be able to write an apologetic article addressing Christian universalism.

so this brings me to my question. I've only really started researching this, as i said, within the last 24 hours but one thing keeps popping up. the Aions argument which is basically that the Greek word aions, which according to the UR crowd does often refer to the English word Eternal it cannot be accurately translated to refer to eternal or everlasting when speaking of judgment or punishment (specifically of course, Hell)

Now since i have never really studied Greek seriously it puts me at a bit of a disadvantage to argue that point. so if there is anyone here who has argued this with universalists in the past or knows Greek i'd appreciate any feedback

*hands out chocolates to all the patient people who took the time to read all of that*

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Some would call hell an invention of John Milton..
I couldn't produce anything of worth on that issue. I'm trying to take Greek before I get out of College though..

 

[Nadiine]

so i run a website thats partly teaching and partly apologetic, just posting up some articles when i've got some inspiration to write and some actual time to dedicate to that and i'm actually planning my next one right now.

I had a UR(universal reconcilationist) guy from the Tentmakers crowd randomly stumble across my website yesterday and in an attempt to umm.... save my soul (i guess ) sent me a rather lengthy email complete with his testimony and several links to some rather lengthy books on the history and beliefs of UR, so i thanked him for the links and promised to read them and i'm using these as research to be able to write an apologetic article addressing Christian universalism.

so this brings me to my question. I've only really started researching this, as i said, within the last 24 hours but one thing keeps popping up. the Aions argument which is basically that the Greek word aions, which according to the UR crowd does often refer to the English word Eternal it cannot be accurately translated to refer to eternal or everlasting when speaking of judgment or punishment (specifically of course, Hell)

Now since i have never really studied Greek seriously it puts me at a bit of a disadvantage to argue that point. so if there is anyone here who has argued this with universalists in the past or knows Greek i'd appreciate any feedback

*hands out chocolates to all the patient people who took the time to read all of that*

there have been several UR threads going on here, one is finally dying out (it's been one slow death lol) -

here's the link, but the greek is given by HuntingMan and hate to say it, but the UR folks are just WAY wrong - namely in Mat. 25 where both are seen going to opposite places eternally.

here's the link to that thread
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7273736&page=85
(I just went to around post 270.... but HM, myself and brinny were thru that thread - HM had greek defs. you might be interested in & some other refutations to their arguments


& there's a very good website that's full of info against UR specifically
http://www.1john57.com/unitdefeated.htm

Hope these help some =)

 

[Nadiine]

uh ps.
I'm not an apologist lol

I do love apologetics though

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Yep.. Could you link us to an article or two? XD

 

[GQ Chris]

I never Apologize.

 

[Blank123]

there have been several UR threads going on here, one is finally dying out (it's been one slow death lol) -

here's the link, but the greek is given by HuntingMan and hate to say it, but the UR folks are just WAY wrong - namely in Mat. 25 where both are seen going to opposite places eternally.

here's the link to that thread
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7273736&page=85
(I just went to around post 270.... but HM, myself and brinny were thru that thread - HM had greek defs. you might be interested in & some other refutations to their arguments


& there's a very good website that's full of info against UR specifically
http://www.1john57.com/unitdefeated.htm

Hope these help some =)

thanks so much! i'll check them out

Yep.. Could you link us to an article or two? XD

lol i put the link to my site in my profile. everything is still a work in progress so don't judge me too harshly

 

[A New Dawn]

OldShepherd has studied Biblical languages and posts in UTD with universalists, if you want to ask him, I'm sure he'd be willing to help. Maybe I'll point him to this thread.