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[setst777]

Though we *could* go in detail about how evolution was built up scientifically first through the understanding of great age in geology and then by the 19th century naturalists through Darwin, this statement makes it clear that you have some understanding and acceptance of that history. So...

Could you please document the scientific (or science-like, but pre-science) processes and discoveries that lead to the conclusion that all species had been created by a deity? [The discoveries should pre-date the belief if they are causal to the understanding.]

Every creature produces after it own kind. There is no evidence of one creature developing into another kind of creature.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Every creature produces after it own kind. There is no evidence of one creature developing into another kind of creature.

Non-responsive. Answer the question posed.

Show how creation is a scientific theory supported by evidence.

 

[Hans Blaster]

If a theory is tested and verified, which means it can be tested and verified, then it is no longer a theory, but rather, is a fact.

"A theory isn't a theory"...

??? Most Christians are in name only.

"Christians aren't christians"...

Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection is no longer accepted by evolutionists as the primary method of evolution.

"Evolutionists don't accept Darwin".

You are on quite a roll when it comes to violating the law of non-contradiction.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I have no idea what germ theory or atomic theory you are referring to. Germs are real, and we have facts for their existence. Atomic energy is real, and mankind even knows how to make atomic bombs.

Really? You don't know what these are?

OK, here's what they are:

Germ theory is the theory that explains how infectious diseases are caused by micro-organisms like bacteria and viruses.

Atomic theory is the theory that explains that every ordinary object is made of atoms and each of those atoms is identical and contains the essential properties of being (oxygen, hydrogen, iron, europium, helium, etc.). It was first proposed by the ancient Greeks and demonstrated in the 18th century. It has nothing to do with nuclear energy or weapons.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Why not??? The large ferns were before the flood, and the small ferns were after the flood. Think before you write.

How did the small ferns jump into the fossil record if they came after the flood?

 

[setst777]

Non-responsive. Answer the question posed.

Show how creation is a scientific theory supported by evidence.

I already have, and you ignored the evidence.

Non-responsive. Answer the question posed.

Show how creation is a scientific theory supported by evidence.

I gave some evidence already, but you ignored it.

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[setst777]

A key point about scientific theories is that they are the results of hypotheses (proposed explanations for observations) that have been tested and verified independently numerous times and have become widely accepted by those in the field - who often have competing hypotheses and have no incentive to see others succeed.

setst777 said: ↑
If a theory is tested and verified, which means it can be tested and verified, then it is no longer a theory, but rather, is a fact.

"A theory isn't a theory"...

Great sense you are making. You need to take a break… a looonnngggg break.

"Christians aren't christians"...

A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGGGGGG break.

That's why when you read a biography of Darwin, you find that he went on the Voyage of the Beagle in the 1830s and collected facts for several years. Filling the hold with specimen facts and filling his notebooks with observational facts. And then spent another 25 years thinking over the facts and the puzzles they presented him with, before fully developing and publishing his theory.

Facts come first.

setst777 said: ↑
Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection is no longer accepted by evolutionists as the primary method of evolution.

"Evolutionists don't accept Darwin".

That is the point I was making. Only you made it even stronger. Thanks for your support : )

 

[setst777]

How did the small ferns jump into the fossil record if they came after the flood?

Ferns existed before and after the flood. However, the environment completely changed after the flood, and the air became much dryer. So ferns could not grow as large as trees after the flood. During the flood, when the sediment covered the plants and fossilized many of them, the sediment didn't just cover the older ferns that grew into trees, but also the younger small ferns.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I already have, and you ignored the evidence.



I gave some evidence already, but you ignored it.

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You wrote a bunch of stuff about global floods. I asked for evidence that *creation* is a scientific theory.

Specifically, if creation is based on science then the conclusion that all species are separately created by a deity was scientific then the evidence should *precede* acceptance of the theory. If it is religious dogma then it should be based on scripture or some other religious source without (or before) scientific evidence is presented.

So here's my question restated:

Where is the scientific evidence that *preceded* the adoption of the idea that species were created independently by a deity? Given the long duration of this concept, the evidence should have been discovered a long time ago.

If creation is really a scientific notion the history of the idea will show it.

 

[setst777]

Really? You don't know what these are?

OK, here's what they are:

Germ theory is the theory that explains how infectious diseases are caused by micro-organisms like bacteria and viruses.

Atomic theory is the theory that explains that every ordinary object is made of atoms and each of those atoms is identical and contains the essential properties of being (oxygen, hydrogen, iron, europium, helium, etc.). It was first proposed by the ancient Greeks and demonstrated in the 18th century. It has nothing to do with nuclear energy or weapons.

Thanks for the lesson.

One of the reasons Germ Theory is a theory because Germ Theory does not explain why some people suffer infection from various organisms and not others. Possible considerations into this question are genetics, nutrition, exercise, state of mind, and proper sleep and rest.

Atomic Theory is a broad field of study. This is theory in that, not all knowledge of it is available, and is still being investigated.

 

[setst777]

setst777 said: ↑

I already have, and you ignored the evidence.

I gave some evidence already, but you ignored it.

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You wrote a bunch of stuff about global floods. I asked for evidence that *creation* is a scientific theory.

That “bunch of stuff” is evidence against evolution, and for creation science. You could not respond to the evidence because it crushes your theory.

Specifically, if creation is based on science then the conclusion that all species are separately created by a deity was scientific then the evidence should *precede* acceptance of the theory. If it is religious dogma then it should be based on scripture or some other religious source without (or before) scientific evidence is presented.

All the evidence that Evolutionists use to prove their theory is pretty much the same evidence the Creationists use to prove their theory. The difference is, how one interprets the data. And humans are masters and interpreting things.

So here's my question restated:

Where is the scientific evidence that *preceded* the adoption of the idea that species were created independently by a deity? Given the long duration of this concept, the evidence should have been discovered a long time ago.

If creation is really a scientific notion the history of the idea will show it.

The answer is the same as if you were to ask that same question to an evolutionist.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Thanks for the lesson.

One of the reasons Germ Theory is a theory because Germ Theory does not explain why some people suffer infection from various organisms and not others. Possible considerations into this question are genetics, nutrition, exercise, state of mind, and proper sleep and rest.

Germ theory is just the organizing concept that germs cause infectious diseases.

For example: HIV causes AIDS; SARS-CoV-2 causes COVID-19, etc.

It says nothing else about how individuals are affected by those diseases.

Atomic Theory is a broad field of study. This is theory in that, not all knowledge of it is available, and is still being investigated.

Atomic theory is very narrow. This is it:

Things are made of atoms.
Atoms come a limited number of types.
All atoms of the same type have the essential chemical properties of that type (or element).

Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[essentialsaltes]

the sediment didn't just cover the older ferns that grew into trees, but also the younger small ferns.

the small ferns were after the flood.

See, even you can change your ideas when faced with facts and evidence. Keep it up!

 

[Hans Blaster]

That “bunch of stuff” is evidence against evolution, and for creation science. You could not respond to the evidence because it crushes your theory.

Your post *might* support the global flood story of Noah, but that ISN'T creation (nor is it evidence against evolution.)

Creation is about, you know, creating stuff. Not mass death/fossilization events. Where is your evidence that species were *created* by a deity?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Those are your definitions.

Rather say that a Theory, one out of possibly many, is one possible way to make sense of the scientific evidence we have before us. But the theory itself is not a fact.

But a theory is made up of the facts that are known.

This is a bad sticking point for you, especially when you are clearly stuck on the laymen's definition of theory meaning 'just an idea'.

 

[setst777]

But a theory is made up of the facts that are known.

This is a bad sticking point for you, especially when you are clearly stuck on the laymen's definition of theory meaning 'just an idea'.

No, a theory is not made up of facts. If that were true, a theory would be a fact. As I have stressed to you in my earlier messages, a Theory, one out of possibly many theories, is one possible way to make sense of the scientific evidence we have before us. But the theory itself is not a fact. A theory is not made up of facts; rather a theory is a way in which we understand, or make sense, of the facts.

 

[setst777]

Germ theory is just the organizing concept that germs cause infectious diseases.

For example: HIV causes AIDS; SARS-CoV-2 causes COVID-19, etc.

It says nothing else about how individuals are affected by those diseases.

Actually it does. See:
Germ theory of disease - Wikipedia

Atomic theory is very narrow. This is it:

Things are made of atoms.
Atoms come a limited number of types.
All atoms of the same type have the essential chemical properties of that type (or element).

Nothing more. Nothing less.

If that were the case, then everything we know about Atomic Theory would by fully and completely known. But that is not the case.

 

[setst777]

See, even you can change your ideas when faced with facts and evidence. Keep it up!

??? You have to learn how to read in context. Taking statements out of context only leads to error.

 

[setst777]

Your post *might* support the global flood story of Noah, but that ISN'T creation (nor is it evidence against evolution.)

Creation is about, you know, creating stuff. Not mass death/fossilization events. Where is your evidence that species were *created* by a deity?

The evidence I presented can only be applied to Creation. The Evolutionary Theory, as we know it, and as presented by Evolutionists as the Theory for Evolution, is destroyed.

 

[tas8831]

One cannot take away from God's Word, or change it, to suit his own puny mind. Doing so only puts one under God's curse.

This is why scientific discussions with creationists are futile. When they realize they are in over their head, they almost always pull out this nonsense as an escape.

"God placed within each species genetic information which allows the different kinds of plants and animals God created to adapt in various situations and environment."

EVIDENCE????