Calendar of Hillel

CherubRam · Dec 17, 2016

gadar perets said:
What verse says Passover is on Abib 13? My Bible says, "In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is YHWH's Passover." (Lev 23:5 )

If you have the 14th beginning on sundown Friday, that means Abib 15 (the first day of Unleavened Bread) started at sundown on Saturday. It lasted seven days, ending at sundown on Saturday. Messiah used a luni-solar calendar. What "biblical calendar" has the holidays on the same day of the week?

Perhaps you are in need of some sleep. Try again tomorrow. Good night.

gadar perets · Dec 18, 2016

CherubRam said:
Perhaps you are in need of some sleep. Try again tomorrow. Good night.

OK. I had a good night's sleep. I'll try again, but I'll make it easier this time.

What verse says Passover is on Abib 13? My Bible says, "In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is YHWH's Passover." (Lev 23:5 )

If you have the 14th beginning on sundown Friday, that means Abib 15 (the first day of Unleavened Bread) started at sundown on Saturday. It lasted seven days, ending at sundown on Saturday. Messiah used a luni-solar calendar.

CherubRam · Dec 18, 2016

gadar perets said:
OK. I had a good night's sleep. I'll try again, but I'll make it easier this time.

What verse says Passover is on Abib 13? My Bible says, "In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is YHWH's Passover." (Lev 23:5 )

If you have the 14th beginning on sundown Friday, that means Abib 15 (the first day of Unleavened Bread) started at sundown on Saturday. It lasted seven days, ending at sundown on Saturday. Messiah used a luni-solar calendar.

Correct. Sunday the 15th starts Saturday at sundown. This is based upon Hebrew time reckoning.

gadar perets · Dec 18, 2016

CherubRam said:
Correct. Sunday the 15th starts Saturday at sundown. This is based upon Hebrew time reckoning.

So how can Passover be on the 13th if it is the day before Unleavened Bread?

AbbaLove · Dec 18, 2016

CherubRam said:
Passover starts the evening of Friday(don't you mean Thursday) the 13th(so you then reckon the Last Supper occurred on Aviv/Nisan 13). The 14th begins Friday at sundown.

So, then according to your reckoning of events you believe the Crucifixion occurred on the 6th day(Friday) of the Jewish week. As you know "Good Friday" is the commonly held belief of Christendom.

However, more than a few Messianics favor the 4th day of the Jewish week (or possibly the 5th day) when the Crucifixion occurred. Thus leading to the probability that Yeshua actually arose during Shabbat (before the break of daylight), while there were still 12 hrs remaining in the 7th day of the Jewish week. However, this timeline presents a problem as scripture says Yeshua arose on the 1st day of the Jewish week (Mark 16:9).

The Happy Medium(compromise) plausibility is that the Crucifixion occurred on the 5th day of the week. This opens the possibility that Yeshua actually arose(sometime during 45 minutes called dusk) betwixt & between the end of the 7th day Sabbath and the beginning of the 1st day of the Jewish week.

So no need to keep arguing among yourselves as to whose right ... Christendom or Messianic Judaism.

Steve Petersen · Dec 18, 2016

gadar perets said:
...started at sundown on Saturday. It lasted seven days, ending at sundown on Saturday.

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gadar perets · Dec 18, 2016

Steve Petersen said:
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Come on Steve. At least give me an exclamation point!

CherubRam · Dec 18, 2016

CherubRam said:

Please note the different days within the above calendar.

gadar perets · Dec 18, 2016

CherubRam said:
Please note the different days within the above calendar.

The calendar is wrong since Yeshua died on Abib 14 (Passover), not Abib 13.

CherubRam · Dec 18, 2016

gadar perets said:
The calendar is wrong since Yeshua died on Abib 14 (Passover), not Abib 13.

The calendar is not wrong, it shows the difference between the Gregorian Calendar in 2004 and the Biblical Calendar.

CherubRam · Dec 18, 2016

CherubRam · Dec 18, 2016

The first day of Abib was Sunday the 21st of March in 2004 AD.

CherubRam · Dec 18, 2016

There is (ABOUT) a weeks difference between Christ resurrection and Easter, AKA as Ishtar.

CherubRam · Dec 18, 2016

Christ died Friday the 13th on Preparation Day, before the Sabbath began that evening at sundown. The bible says so.

gadar perets · Dec 18, 2016

CherubRam said:

You obviously don't understand the issue. That calendar has the word "Death" on April 2/Abib 13. Yeshua died on Abib 14. The difference between the Gregorian and Biblical Calendars is irrelevant.

AbbaLove · Dec 18, 2016

CherubRam said:
Christ died Friday the 13th on Preparation Day, before the Sabbath began that evening at sundown. The bible says so.

It was the RCC that first declared/established Friday (6th day of the week) as the day of crucifixion. Wasn't aware that the RCC bible says so.

Carefully, consider what gadar has to say as his timeline of events is more consistent with Messianic Judaism than with the beliefs of the RCC (and the majority of Evangelicals). You should know that gadar's posts do represent the beliefs of mainstream Messianic Judaism ... so be attentive

Note: The recent inclusion of "mainstream" Messianic Judaism leans more toward UMJC (and this MJ forum) than toward MJAA (although some members may disagree) ...

UMJC congregations, meanwhile, identify more with mainstream Jewish communities, make more of whether its members would be considered Jewish under traditional definitions, and are more likely to keep kosher and otherwise follow Jewish law. These are generalizations, with overlap and exceptions, but they not unfairly cover the overall spectrum ... (scroll down to Messianic Congregations)

CherubRam · Dec 18, 2016

Mark 15:42 It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached, 43 Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus’ body.

Luke 23:54
It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

John 19:14
It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon. “Here is your king,” Pilate said to the Jews.

John 19:31
Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.

John 19:42
Because it was the Jewish day of Preparation and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.

CherubRam · Dec 18, 2016

The (Special Sabbath-s) is the 14th and 15th, Saturday and Sunday. And because no work was to be done that Sunday also, Firstfruits was on Monday.

AbbaLove · Dec 18, 2016

In 325, the Council of Nicaea declared as heretical the Christians who calculated the date of Easter using the Jewish calendar (the Quartodecimans). The Nicene Council also officially pronounced Jesus and the Father as different persons of the One God (homoousion) rather than considering Jesus as like the Father in all essential respects (homoiousion). This decision made Christianity incompatible with the strict and literal monotheism at the core of Judaism.

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And so it's not unusual for posts by those displaying a "Christian" faith icon in this MJ forum to be viewed with some apprehension by some members of this Messianic Judaism forum.

gadar perets · Dec 18, 2016

CherubRam said:
The (Special Sabbath-s) is the 14th and 15th, Saturday and Sunday. And because no work was to be done that Sunday also, Firstfruits was on Monday.

The 14th is not a "Special Sabbath" or a holy day. The 15th is both.

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