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According to free will as it is presented in Scripture, post #38 is the Biblical definition of free will.
How is the person not freely, willingly and voluntarily accepting God and his way without any force in that definition?
 
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According to free will as it is presented in Scripture, post #38 is the Biblical definition of free will.
How is the person not freely, willingly and voluntarily accepting God and his way without any force in that definition?
No it is not biblical, your free will is presented in one or two scriptures, not the bulk of scripture. You twist what free will means. The Bible is clear that God extends His grace to all men, but you reason away the clear meaning of scripture, to fit a God-abasing doctrine of Predestination. Free will according to scripture is as follows, God extends His goodwill to all men, but not all men receive Him.

1Ti 2:4-6 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,
 
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Rom 8:7-8 applies to the unregenerate.
 
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None of which is a refutation of the Biblical presentation of free will.

The Bible does not present me as having a free will which can make all choices. . .I cannot choose to be sinless.
 
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Truly the story and account of Cain blows Calvinistic thinking right out of the water. One could say the first few chapters of Genesis settles the issue and one shouldn't have to even look at other scripturas. When the answer is right there it's right there (the Cain story) but men want to run off and talk about a thousand and other different things.
 
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Thing is cain couldnt do well. Just like when Jesus told the rich young ruler if he kept the commandments he could enter into eternal life. Jesus knew he couldnt do that, and God knew that cain a fallen dead sinner could not do well. Rom 3 applied to cain Rom 3:10-12

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

And thats what doing well means in Gen 4:7 to do good, to be good.

The only way one can be accepted of God is in the beloved Eph 1:6


6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

So if you think cain could do well to get saved, you believe in law keeping/work salvation and have no thoughts on Christ !
 
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Thing is cain couldnt do well.
Then you're left hopelessly with a God which clearly insinuate he could. What loving God or parent would ever say to their offspring, (let give an example) if you clean your room you can go out tonight. He told Cain if you do well you'll be accepted.


Just like when Jesus told the rich young ruler if he kept the commandments he could enter into eternal life.
None of that had to do with keeping the moral law in perfection. It had to do with doing everything a Jew could do in living a holy life but also having faith in the Passover lamb which they shed once a year. Those are the things he could have done .

 
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