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iv been reading the bible....

adem and eve gave birth to cain and able.

how did cain and abel start the human race, increst?

it say's if my first born son is unruly and rebellious against god i must stone him to death, if i don't do this i will not be following the bible so will i go to hell?

really true theists think the world is less than 7000 years old?

what came first language or god?

why did god give adem and eve the choice to eat or not to eat b4 he gave them the knowledge of good or bad?

do you think people only blv in god because it's the way they have been brought up?

im agnostic because its impossible to disprove god the same as it's impossible to disprove fairys but im 99% sure that fairys are not real.

thank you.
 
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iv been reading the bible....

adem and eve gave birth to cain and able.

how did cain and abel start the human race, increst?

it say's if my first born son is unruly and rebellious against god i must stone him to death, if i don't do this i will not be following the bible so will i go to hell?

really true theists think the world is less than 7000 years old?

what came first language or god?

why did god give adem and eve the choice to eat or not to eat b4 he gave them the knowledge of good or bad?

do you think people only blv in god because it's the way they have been brought up?

im agnostic because its impossible to disprove god the same as it's impossible to disprove fairys but im 99% sure that fairys are not real.

thank you.

Trolling? :scratch:

Sealacamp
 
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iv been reading the bible....

adem and eve gave birth to cain and able.

how did cain and abel start the human race, incest?


Cain would have had to marry a sister. Abel died.


it say's if my first born son is unruly and rebellious against god i must stone him to death, if i don't do this i will not be following the bible so will i go to hell?

No. You are quoting part of the Mosaic Law God gave to the people of Israel.
Resurrected Christ makes us free from the Law


really true theists think the world is less than 7000 years old?

Theists believe closer to 8000 years.

what came first language or god?

I’m not seeing the significance. . . don’t know, don't care.

why did god give adem and eve the choice to eat or not to eat b4 he gave them the knowledge of good or bad?

It's my understanding that God preferred to keep humans innocent and without the knowledge of good and evil. Then of course, he did put the Tree there.

do you think people only blv in god because it's the way they have been brought up?

I would say yes for children. There's an age where we decide for ourselves.


im agnostic because its impossible to disprove god the same as it's impossible to disprove fairys but im 99% sure that fairys are not real.

thank you.

No, thank you. Hard day? lol
 
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iv been reading the bible....
Always a good thing.

adem and eve gave birth to cain and able.
Yes, they did.

how did cain and abel start the human race, increst?
It is now called incest, but...
One, at the time there was no decree against it, neither was it looked upon with disfavor.
Two, their DNA was free of the corruption that produces unhealthy offspring.

it say's if my first born son is unruly and rebellious against god i must stone him to death, if i don't do this i will not be following the bible so will i go to hell?
There were many laws given to the Hebrews for the purpose of keeping them healthy, both physically and spiritually. Since Jesus was the fulfillment of those laws, belief in him absolves one from being guilty under them. If one does not believe in Jesus, then he is still judged under those laws, so yes, he will suffer the decreed punishment.

really true theists think the world is less than 7000 years old?
Yes, and that belief can be supported scientifically, a fact that is commonly suppressed by the mainstream scientific community.

what came first language or god?
God came first...He is the creator of all.

why did god give adem and eve the choice to eat or not to eat b4 he gave them the knowledge of good or bad?
God gave permission to eat of all the fruit in the Garden except for that one tree. They knew that it was bad to eat of it because God told them so. Yet, they disobeyed. In essence, they did know the difference between good and bad.

do you think people only blv in god because it's the way they have been brought up?
The way people are brought up is indeed an influence, however, there are many other things in this world that show God's presence. Ultimately, each is responsible for his own choices.

im agnostic because its impossible to disprove god the same as it's impossible to disprove fairys but im 99% sure that fairys are not real.
You are agnostic because God has not yet opened your eyes to the truth. If you continue to read the Bible, and diligently seek Him, He may one day do so.

thank you.
Welcome. I pray God will guide you to the truth.
 
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Always a good thing.

Yes, they did.

It is now called incest, but...
One, at the time there was no decree against it, neither was it looked upon with disfavor.
Two, their DNA was free of the corruption that produces unhealthy offspring.

There were many laws given to the Hebrews for the purpose of keeping them healthy, both physically and spiritually. Since Jesus was the fulfillment of those laws, belief in him absolves one from being guilty under them. If one does not believe in Jesus, then he is still judged under those laws, so yes, he will suffer the decreed punishment.

Yes, and that belief can be supported scientifically, a fact that is commonly suppressed by the mainstream scientific community.

God came first...He is the creator of all.

God gave permission to eat of all the fruit in the Garden except for that one tree. They knew that it was bad to eat of it because God told them so. Yet, they disobeyed. In essence, they did know the difference between good and bad.

The way people are brought up is indeed an influence, however, there are many other things in this world that show God's presence. Ultimately, each is responsible for his own choices.

You are agnostic because God has not yet opened your eyes to the truth. If you continue to read the Bible, and diligently seek Him, He may one day do so.

Welcome. I pray God will guide you to the truth.
i have some questions...

what are these corruptions in DNA that can cause unhealthy children? and if they were not present originally, how did they come about?

is there a way for me to find the scientific evidence for the earth being less than 7,000 years old? and why do you think that this evidence is suppressed?
 
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i have some questions...

what are these corruptions in DNA that can cause unhealthy children? and if they were not present originally, how did they come about?

is there a way for me to find the scientific evidence for the earth being less than 7,000 years old? and why do you think that this evidence is suppressed?
When God created the universe, and Adam & Eve, it was perfect in every way. God declared that all that He did was good (Gen. 1:31). But when Adam & Eve sinned, corruption and death entered the world as part of the curse God put on it. This is detailed in Genesis 3. The curses upon the earth were quick to occur, as man was forced to till the ground, pull weeds, etc., to provide sustenance for himself and his family (Gen. 3:17-19). Before they sinned against God, Adam & Eve merely had to pick the fruit off of the trees in order to eat (Gen. 2:15-16).

Death and the corruption of their genes occurred more slowly, as evidenced by the long life spans of people in the early chapters of Genesis. Adam lived 930 years and then died, returning to dust; Seth (Adam's son) lived 912 years; Methuselah lived 969 years (you've probably heard of him); Noah lived 950 years, the Flood happening when he was 600. By the time of Abraham, as genetic imperfections increased, the average lifespan had shortened a great deal...Abraham only living 175 years. Moses, through whom God passed on the laws forbidding incest, lived 120 years. By the time of Israel's kings, David, Solomon, etc., the average lifespan had decreased to 70 years or so. Average lifespan has at times been even lower than that, sometimes as low as 40-50 years. It is now on the increase mainly due to life-sustaining medical breakthroughs.

As for what exactly those defects are, I'm not well enough acquainted with genetics to say, but it's well-known that inbreeding leads to the chances of defects being more pronounced and more likely to occur.

For info on a young earth creation, you might look into websites such as Creation Ministries or The Institute for Creation Research

There may be a couple of reasons for suppression of said research. One is that main-stream scientists rely on long ages for support of their evolution theory and other assumptions they make from their observations. Credible alternatives cast doubt on their own findings. And, if credible (and there is credible research being done by well qualified scientists) alternatives were to come to the attention of a public that for the most part believes that if scientists say it, it must be true, it would seriously affect their reputations and their funding. A ton of money rides on it. Another reason stems from the philosophy of a naturalist/humanist worldview, which seeks to eliminate God from the public consciousness, and which finds much support from the scientific community. But whatever the reasons, it is clearly evident that main-stream scientists are close-minded and dead set in their beliefs, having suckled at the teat of evolution for all these years.
 
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My my - that's convenient innit!

So when exactly did the rules change? As soon as it wasn't inconvenient?
The rules changed when God gave Moses the laws in the wilderness. Besides the laws of conduct and worship, there were also health and dietary laws.
 
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..it's well-known that inbreeding leads to the chances of defects being more pronounced and more likely to occur
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Adoniram - so why did your God design a process in which the human population grew from two people -- requiring Adam and Eve's own children to mate with each other? Thus setting in train a defective family tree from the outset?
 
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how did cain and abel start the human race, increst?
Yes, it was temporarily permitted.

it say's if my first born son is unruly and rebellious against god i must stone him to death, if i don't do this i will not be following the bible so will i go to hell?
That command was to Jews, not the whole world. Unless you're Jewish, no.

really true theists think the world is less than 7000 years old?
Some do.

what came first language or god?
God.

why did god give adem and eve the choice to eat or not to eat b4 he gave them the knowledge of good or bad?
God didn't give them what the fruit on the tree gave them. As for why they had a choice, or why we have a choice in our day-to-day, nobody really knows.

do you think people only blv in god because it's the way they have been brought up?
No, there are converts.
 
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Adoniram - so why did your God design a process in which the human population grew from two people -- requiring Adam and Eve's own children to mate with each other? Thus setting in train a defective family tree from the outset?
The design was perfect from the outset. God created two perfect people, free from defects of any kind, and put them in a perfect world. All their needs, all their desires were fulfilled as they walked in fellowship with God.

We cannot even imagine a perfect world. The Bible says they were naked and felt no shame, no embarrassment whatsoever. We can't imagine that. Neither can we imagine a time when mating with one's siblings would not have been looked upon without disgust. But in the perfect, sinless, and innocent world that God created, that would have been the case.

But God also warned them that if they disobeyed, and ate the fruit of the forbidden tree, death would follow. Genetic corruption and defects were not the result of brothers and sisters mating. That, and frankly, all the evil we see in the world today, is the result of Adam and Eve's disobedience.

Now...you might say that if God is all-knowing, all-powerful, that he would have known that they would disobey. And you would be right. So why did he allow it? Why did he create them anyway?

The answer is to love us and show his love for us, in spite of ourselves. The Bible says that from before creation, the plan was that Jesus would give his life for us. No greater love can be shown than giving your life for someone. The promise is that God will someday, once again, provide a perfect world for those who truly love and desire to be with him.

I pray that someday God opens your eyes to that truth.
 
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iv been reading the bible....

adem and eve gave birth to cain and able.

how did cain and abel start the human race, increst?

it say's if my first born son is unruly and rebellious against god i must stone him to death, if i don't do this i will not be following the bible so will i go to hell?

really true theists think the world is less than 7000 years old?

what came first language or god?

why did god give adem and eve the choice to eat or not to eat b4 he gave them the knowledge of good or bad?

do you think people only blv in god because it's the way they have been brought up?

im agnostic because its impossible to disprove god the same as it's impossible to disprove fairys but im 99% sure that fairys are not real.

thank you.
looking.. simple on languge is that Adam had a language just as good or better then ours with his wife and God was already there and 'did not evolve' to be 'god'.. The stoning came much, much later see. Cain seems the very first human born from the first ever parents too.
 
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what are these corruptions in DNA that can cause unhealthy children? and if they were not present originally, how did they come about?
They came about by processes summarized as mutation. Most mutations are just destroying information, making genes dysfunctional. "Corruption" is a good word for this.
 
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