Caffiene

[Lokisdottir]

what do christians you know think about alcahol? i dont think any christians i know would call this a "sin" although most of them dont really drink.

I can't speak for psych, but most of the Christians I know believe that drinking isn't a sin, but drunkenness is. Basically, they espouse drinking in moderation.

 

[e=mv^2]

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Colossians 2:16, KJV)

Drinking alcohol is not a sin. The very first miracle that Christ ever performed was to change water into wine. It is imortant to note the conditions that surrounded this miracle.

And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. 3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. 4 Jesus saith unto her, "Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. " 5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it. 6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. 7 Jesus saith unto them, "Fill the waterpots with water." And they filled them up to the brim. 8 And he saith unto them, "Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast." And they bare it.

So there are these 6 pots. Each of them held 2-3 "firkins" each. It is important to note that a firkin is about 10 gallons. So then you have 6 pots each holding from 20-30 gallons. That is between 120 and 180 gallons.

9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, 10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now. 11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

Now you have the master of the festivities tasting the wine. Note his comment:

Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now

Here we can plainly see that the party goers had already consumed all the wine that the host had made available. On top of what they had already drank - another 120-180 of the best wine they had tasted was made available.

When we think of drunkness we have to consider it in context. In those days some men would wake up in the morning and start drinking. They would not stop until the evening and "the wine had inflamed them". They would then pass out and wake up and start drinking again. THAT is the drunkeness that is referred to in the bible. It is not drinking at a party that is the problem - it is allowing alcohol (or weed, speed, pie, chocolate or whatever else) to take over your life to the point that you are broken and out of control.

Saying that any outside your body that you take into your body is sin is legalism. Is it not smoking a joint that is sin - it is allowing something to become more important that it should be that is the sin - lusting after something is sin. The sin originates in man's heart - not outside him.

 

[tgg]

Cleany,

I have a Christian friend who enjoys a bundy rum and coke when he goes out tothe pub. Hopwevet, he doesn't get drunk and he wouldn't go out to a pub with a guy who has problems with alcohol. I think that this is a reasonable answer.

I enjoy having an odd beer and wine with my meals. Though I don't get drunk and I tend to stay away from such people, largely because I haven't a good tolerance level for aggressive and excitable people.


tgg

 

[peepnklown]

Buddhism; moderation

 

[Cleany]

I enjoy having an odd beer and wine with my meals. Though I don't get drunk and I tend to stay away from such people, largely because I haven't a good tolerance level for aggressive and excitable people.

i think this is the same with a lot of people. the question is whether drinking constitutes "the recreational use of drugs". i think it does.

 

[ChrisLockhart]

I think the question of morality here applies not to the substance (how is marijuana immoral, it's just a plant), or the action (how is drinking tea immoral?), but rather the intent or what is in the heart of the person in association with the action.

Because caffeine is legal and socially acceptable, there is no (in most cases) matter of dishonesty or deception to contend with. It's relatively cheap, so one is not generally diverting funds from groceries for the family to pay for that morning coffee. As long is it is in excess, one does not suffer health problems from ingesting caffeine. And while under the influence of caffeine, I'm not impaired from doing my job or reacting in a situation in which I may need to react to protect myself or somebody else.

 

[Cerberus~]

Oh, drinking alcohol is not immoral. Christians see getting drunk as immoral. Having a beer is fine.

Other than the varying effects, how is getting high and different than getting a beer buzz?

 

[Misty Minister]

I would like to know what most christian's take on caffiene is. Most christians I know see mind altering substances like alcohol and cannabis as bad but they do not seem to realize that caffiene is one as well. Why is drinking a beer immoral but a mountain dew isn't? You're ingesting drugs either way.

Other mind altering 'drugs' you may not know you use:

Chocolate contains theobromine and caffiene, both stimulants, and even small quantities of anandimide, an endogenous cannibinoid
Benadryl, Robitussin, Advil, most OTCs for that matter
Nutmeg contains mtristicin, a hallucinogen and depressant
Common Sage contains thujone. Often you can find Sage as an ingredient in tooth whiteners/toothpastes. Thujone is a hallucinogen.

Most of these contain far too small of quantities of drugs to affect how you conciously think, but they are psychoactive nonetheless. Where is the line drawn?

Drinking a beer is Not immoral. Getting drunk is foolish because it can lead you to do immoral things. It does this because alcohol suppresses the higher brain functions.
Caffiene does not do this.

God suplies things for a good use. Often over use is abuse and against the intention of GOD.

Alcohol in small doses has been useful in extending the life of members of my family.


The Alergy to Alcohol is a disorder of the brain in which the body is not able to clear the alcohol and acetylealdehyde from the brain. It replaces the normal neurotransmitters and the brain craves alcohol and acetylealdehyde to function. This is Alcoholism.

Nutmeg is amzzing. When I was 16 I ate 1 and one half oz of nutmeg and high and halucinating for three days. For two days it did not matter if my eyes were open or closed. I could not even bear the smell of eggnog for years. I do not recommend nutmeg.

Ok but HOW MUCH Thujone does one have to take before it is a hallucinogen?
Rododendrons are a hallucinegen.
Hallucinegenic plants are all around us.

 

[Misty Minister]

Drinking a beer is Not immoral. Getting drunk is foolish because it can lead you to do immoral things. It does this because alcohol suppresses the higher brain functions.
Caffiene does not do this.

God suplies things for a good use. Often over use is abuse and against the intention of GOD.

Alcohol in small doses has been useful in extending the life of members of my family.


The Alergy to Alcohol is a disorder of the brain in which the body is not able to clear the alcohol and acetylealdehyde from the brain. It replaces the normal neurotransmitters and the brain craves alcohol and acetylealdehyde to function. This is Alcoholism.

Nutmeg is amzzing. When I was 16 I ate 1 and one half oz of nutmeg and high and halucinating for three days. For two days it did not matter if my eyes were open or closed. I could not even bear the smell of eggnog for years. I do not recommend nutmeg.

Ok but HOW MUCH Thujone does one have to take before it is a hallucinogen?
Rododendrons are a hallucinegen.
Hallucinegenic plants are all around us.