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The bible names the 11 remaining apostles and James the brother of Jesus as being among those 500 direct witnesses. Each of these men then lived out a devoted response to their experience of the risen Christ that included martyrdom in 12 out of the 13 just named. Add in subsequent transforming experiences of the risen Christ including that of St. Paul and there are enough credible witnesses to win any court case on the facts.
Do you think John the Baptist lived?
Many have written of him and how he was a teacher.
Jesus Christ had to come after he was born and before the temple and the city was destroyed.
Daniel 9 shows that the Messiah would come and be cut off - but not for Himself - as in died for us due to our sins. And later the sanctuary and the city would be desolated.
Micah foretold how He would come from Bethlehem and later take down the Assyrian.
Micah 5
Do you believe Josephus, Paul, Peter, John lived?
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Not only that but they have to live with the knowledge their loved ones are being tortured for eternity. So either there is sadness in heaven or God changes your memories and emotions so you won't be sad when arriving in heaven. At which point you are no longer the person you were but an altered copy.How am I offering them hope if by accepting that hope they are giving up ever seeing the ones they love again?
That's not evidence. That's the claim. The claim is not evidence of itself.
Again, that is the claim. The claim is not evidence of itself.
According to the claim.
If we accept the claim that a god and hell exists.
Not only that but they have to live with the knowledge their loved ones are being tortured for eternity. So either there is sadness in heaven or God changes your memories and emotions so you won't be sad when arriving in heaven. At which point you are no longer the person you were but an altered copy.
Eye witnesses show up in court and are cross examined. Many times, they are impeached as witnesses.Eyewitness testimony is regarded as evidence by any court in any country throughout history.
The scriptures are reliable and billions of Christians have been able to affirm the connection they give to God.
If God loved their dead relative so much more than they do and He's complacent in their torture, why shouldn't any of us be? Maybe because nobody here would look at someone they cared about and think they deserve eternal torment?I have a number of atheist friends / acquaintances who have lost loved ones. One lost a wife and another a mother and another a father.
My dilemma is this. The good news of the gospel is that regardless of how badly we have lived we can be forgiven our sins and come to know God for eternal life. So even people in the worst situations can find hope in that. Now that should be good news for everyone on a personal level. But there are those who refused that hope and died godless. These people probably will go to hell as a result.
So how do I share the gospel with someone for whom the thought of a recently departed parent or spouse being in hell is an impossibility and something they will never accept. How am I offering them hope if by accepting that hope they are giving up ever seeing the ones they love again?
Psalms 8:5
“For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.”
So there is more proof of King David from the past besides the
Bible and this ancient king of Israel - told about creation - angels and more. -even that He has prepared His throne for judgment. He shall judge the world.
Eyewitness testimony is regarded as evidence by any court in any country throughout history.
The scriptures are reliable and billions of Christians have been able to affirm the connection they give to God.
There is regular historical information as to King David and Israel. Have you looked into it?
Yes that is a succinct summary of the dilemma posed in the OP.
The issue here is to do with whether or not what was really loved is real. Whether a person coming to their senses wants to commit to the more ugly reality or whether they want to start annew with something fresh and lovable and really beautiful. That relatives may have chosen damnation is not something that we can change but we can change where we end up.
You didn't address the substance of my post. Can you be sad in heaven, or is your personality altered so you no longer care about human beings that you love being tortured for all eternity?
I and the whole church agree that the cliff is there and we have warned you ,but feel free to fall over it if you do not believe me.
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