But the one I loved died an atheist...

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It´s one thing to sell your opinions as truth, and another to sell them as good news. Especially when the evidence for the first is weak and the news aren´t actually that good, trying both at the same time is a pretty hard task.

If you believe that then you have no inkling at what hell is like. It IS good news if a person does not have to go there.
 
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truth has never been about a majority vote or were Galileo and Copernicus wrong for instance?

Never said it was, just pointing out personal faith beliefs are widely varied, because they are based on personal perceptions and less objective evidence.
 
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You determine what witnesses are credible?
 
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If you believe that then you have no inkling at what hell is like. It IS good news if a person does not have to go there.

What hell? Demonstrate this hell exists and then we can go from there.
 
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If you believe that then you have no inkling at what hell is like. It IS good news if a person does not have to go there.
Compared to "such a place doesn´t exist at all", it´s not much of an improvement, is it?
Apologetic/theological advertising isn´t very powerful when it just solves the problems that it has created itself and that don´t/wouldn´t exist without it.
 
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Personally the evidence seems overwhelming to the point that it would seem dishonest to deny it.

As for us, we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard. Acts 4:20

However I do agree that Jesus Himself tended to hide the truth from those who were not being saved. His use of parables for instance.

My own mother-in law was an atheist who committed suicide. I do not know if God found some way to save her in her last seconds but it looks unlikely given what I do know. The consequences of such gospel rejection seem extreme to me. She had a life time of opportunities to find the truth and missed them all. It seems she thought that she could end her troubles by ending her life but more likely they are really now just beginning. This is not a game with words and it is even more important than even decisions about life and death.

The gospel can be presented gently and respectfully but so also it is a clear choice. Jesus did not urge his disciples to tiptoe around godless egos idolising toxic connections.

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. a man's enemies will be the members of his own household. Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it." Matthew 10:34-39


 
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The good news is, you are free to claim this evidence is overwhelming. It seems though, that you are miffed so many disagree with you.
 
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The good news is, you are free to claim this evidence is overwhelming. It seems though, that you are miffed so many disagree with you.

If a man can see someone else is driving his car quickly towards a cliff. If he calls out and says turn back and the other ignores him there are a range of experienced emotions. Miffed is not one of them though.
 
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If a man can see someone else is driving his car quickly towards a cliff. If he calls out and says turn back and the other ignores him there are a range of experienced emotions.
So your question is "How do I come to terms with my emotions seeing that not everyone believes as I do?", rather than "How do I convince someone that there is an invisible cliff?" (as the OP question appeared to be)?
 
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500 credible witnesses, of which you can name zero.
 
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500 credible witnesses, of which you can name zero.

The bible names the 11 remaining apostles and James the brother of Jesus as being among those 500 direct witnesses. Each of these men then lived out a devoted response to their experience of the risen Christ that included martyrdom in 12 out of the 13 just named. Add in subsequent transforming experiences of the risen Christ including that of St. Paul and there are enough credible witnesses to win any court case on the facts.
 
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So your question is "How do I come to terms with my emotions seeing that not everyone believes as I do?", rather than "How do I convince someone that there is an invisible cliff?" (as the OP question appeared to be)?

I and the whole church agree that the cliff is there and we have warned you ,but feel free to fall over it if you do not believe me.
 
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I'm talking about the 500. So you agree they were all unnamed right? How then are they credible?
 
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I and the whole church agree that the cliff is there and we have warned you ,but feel free to fall over it if you do not believe me.
And that´s the way you try to convince non-believers that you are in hold of the truth, and this truth is good news, on top?
No wonder you ended up voicing your frustration with your lack of success in the OP.
 
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Personally the evidence seems overwhelming to the point that it would seem dishonest to deny it.
....the last Christian I heard who claimed that the evidence was 'so clear' ended up divorcing his wife and stepping down from the ministry. I'm not sure that the evidence is so clear that it just automatically buoys us into the perpetual state of faith that many Christians seem to imply that it can.

As for us, we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard. Acts 4:20
I'm sorry to hear that your mother-in-law died without any sign of a positive response to Christ. I know that can be frustrating, as can be many other things in the Christian life.

The gospel can be presented gently and respectfully but so also it is a clear choice. Jesus did not urge his disciples to tiptoe around godless egos idolising toxic connections.
Well...I wouldn't say it is a 'clear' choice. To say so is to say that 1) God hasn't hidden anything from us, and 2) that Satan really is just a wimp whom we don't have to take into consideration in how He affects us in our lives. Both of these propositions are false.

Sure, Jesus didn't come to bring false 'political' peace like that of the Pax Romana. He instead came to be the Prince of Peace according to God's Will, a peace requiring that each one of us gets on the same page about His identity as Lord and Christ BEFORE we can have real social and spiritual peace with God and other people.

So, in essence, Jesus REALLY DID come to bring peace........just not the kind that everyone is wanting on their own terms.

Peace (in Christ),
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If a man can see someone else is driving his car quickly towards a cliff. If he calls out and says turn back and the other ignores him there are a range of experienced emotions. Miffed is not one of them though.

You do realize, what you state above is simply your opinion, as you have failed to provide any objective or reliable evidence (outside of your personal perceptions) to support your claims?
 
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