But it is spinning backwards!

[lucaspa]

Today at 12:41 AM Kookaburra said this in Post #13
Haha, can you get a whole galaxy to start spinning a different direction? How would you get it to do so, even if you could? If you say things could hit each other and start spinning another way, then how did a whole galaxy do that?

First, Ardipethecus noted that JohnR7's version of the Big Bang is incorrect.  I haven't seen any discussion of the theory where spin is involved.  JohnR7 hasn't posted it. He simply asserted it.  Have you seen this?

So, to start with, John's premise is wrong.  Since the premise is wrong, all arguments after that are also wrong, including the above.  To my knowledge, spiral galaxies do not all spin in the same direction.  That spin depends on the collisions between matter as the stars in the galaxie formed.

In the solar system. Most planets spin on one direction.  There are a couple with "retrograde spin".  This could come about during collisions between the planetisimals as the planet formed or a collision of a planet with another planet sized body.

 

[lucaspa]

Today at 03:49 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #36

That was the question, why is a whole galaxy spinning backwards? You guys think I make this stuff up

Goofy galaxy spins in wrong direction

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/02/08/oddball.galaxy/

Yes, you do make it up, because you don't read the links you post.  This isn't about whole galaxies spinning opposite other galaxies.  This is about the direction of the spiral arms within one galaxy.  From  the article you didn't bother to read:

"Most spiral galaxies have arms of gas and stars that trail behind as they turn. But this galaxy, known as NGC 4266, has two leading outer arms that point toward the direction of the galaxy's rotation"

"NGC 4622 suggests that maybe people do not know all that there is know about spiral structure yet. Our study may lead to a new understanding of spiral arm production in galaxies,"

"A closer inspection reveals another enigma: a trailing inner arm that wraps around the galaxy in the opposite direction of its rotation, just like conventional arms of spiral galaxies.

"It is pretty clear that there are both clockwise and counter-clockwise spiral arms, so something funny is going on," Noll said."

Ah, now is there no explanation other than God playing tricks in order to announce His presence?

"That its two outer arms are lopsided suggests that something major disturbed it. It could have hit and ingested a much smaller galaxy, the astronomers theorized.

"What caused us to suspect that a collision or merger might be involved in this galaxy is that we found a strong, sharp dust lane right across the nucleus of the galaxy. We suspect a companion was destroyed in the merger and that the dust lane is the surviving evidence," Buta and Byrd said."

Sorry, John, but another god-of-the-gaps effort has failed.  Of course, for Christianity it would have been worse if you had succeeded.

 

[crazyfingers]

Today at 05:18 PM lucaspa said this in Post #41

In the solar system. Most planets spin on one direction.  There are a couple with "retrograde spin".  This could come about during collisions between the planetisimals as the planet formed or a collision of a planet with another planet sized body.

Yes, Venus rotation is retrograde. And actually it has a day that's longer than a year.  It spins on its axis once every 243 earth days but revolves around the sun once every 225 earth days.

Uranus on the other hand is tipped on its side.  So it doesn't even spin west to east from our point of view but it spins north to south.




 

 

[MSBS]

What an utter and complete waste of time, all that I can see here are creationists using their ignorance of basic physics to try and prove a crackpot view of the bible that is on a par with theories of UFOs and big foot.

What next? Do we get told that Venus spins backwards so that proves that Elvis is still alive?

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 06:04 PM MSBS said this in Post #44
What next? Do we get told that Venus spins backwards so that proves that Elvis is still alive?

That makes about as much sense as Darwin's theory of Evolution.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Today at 03:36 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #35

You people would all get bored if I did not come along to stir things up around here.

Can't argue with you there, although most people would have higher ambitions than to embarass themselves for our amusement.

But hey, whatever puts a smile on your face...

 

[Nathan Poe]

Today at 06:13 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #45

That makes about as much sense as Darwin's theory of Evolution.

There was a time when Natural Selection made no sense to me either. Then I started reading up on it, and it all fell into place.

 So you see, there's hope for you yet.

 

[lucaspa]

Today at 06:13 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #45

That makes about as much sense as Darwin's theory of Evolution.

John, because you can't understand it, or don't want to, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. This is simply the Argument from Personal Incredulity combined with the Argument from Authority, with you being the "authority".

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

Did you know there is a galaxy where half the stars are orbiting the center in one direction and the other half are orbiting in the opposite directions (I will attempt to find the reference to this unusual galaxy).

There is only one planet that spins opposite to the others and that is Venus. A day on venus is longer then the year, so it spins very slowly (also explains the lack of magnetic field on our sister world). Conservation of anglular momentum means that, the strage venusian day developed early on in the formation of the planet. A challenge for planetary science to explain, but not impossible. Try searching around, I am sure you will find that research has been done on this. Likewise, some moons - most notabley Neptune's Triton - orbit the planets retrograde (opposite) to the others. Again, not a big problem for astronomers - only and interesting sidenote.

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

Oh, and BTW. The universe is not spinning. Got it? You have totally confused the formation of a tiny little itty bitty solar system with the big bang. The big bang is the formation of the entire universe (i like your unicycle analogy too) , the solar system is one very small part of it and developed much later.

 

[JohnR7]

Yesterday at 06:04 PM MSBS said this in Post #44  that is on a par with theories of UFOs and big foot.

You don't believe in "big foot"? I mean a know a lot of the reports have been proven to be a fraud or a joke. But not all of the report on Big Foot have been falsified yet.

So intell every single bit of it has been falsified then it is still a valid theory.

 

[JohnR7]

Yesterday at 12:00 AM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #11

It's threads like this that make me wonder about John's motivation. Is he genuinely sincere in his beliefs or is he just trying to make creationists look silly?

Oh, I put a lot of stuff out here, just because I think that it is funny. But unless I put something like: ALERT ALERT this is intended to be funny. Then people usually take it serious.

 

[JohnR7]

Yesterday at 04:36 PM Zadok001 said this in Post #38 You think this means something? Galaxy spins backwards. Whoop-de-doo.

The idea here is to get a discussion going. It seems to me that this is as good of a topic to discuss as any.

 

[JohnR7]

Yesterday at 04:59 PM crazyfingers said this in Post #40 Y'all do realize that if a spinning thing is flipped on it's axis at will appear to spin the other direction from a contant reference point? 

Oh yeah, that is, we are not looking at a galaxy that is spinning backwards, it is just upside down.

 

[DivineOb]

Today at 06:46 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #51

You don't believe in "big foot"? I mean a know a lot of the reports have been proven to be a fraud or a joke. But not all of the report on Big Foot have been falsified yet.

So intell every single bit of it has been falsified then it is still a valid theory.

The guy who started the legend of bigfoot died recently (late 2002 I think), and when he did, his family admitted that it was a hoax.

I can't post links yet, so go to google and search for "bigfoot hoax died" and it will be the first link (should be to seattletimes.com)

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 02:34 AM DivineOb said this in Post #55

The guy who started the legend of bigfoot died recently (late 2002 I think), and when he did, his family admitted that it was a hoax.

Yes, that was proven to be a hoax. But there have been many reports on a big foot for many years. Not all of them have been proven to be a hoax.

 

[Cantuar]

What theory does science have to explain this?

The theory of orbits.

 

[ikester7579]

Yesterday at 10:46 AM Nathan Poe said this in Post #34

It doesn't "take" several people to refute John, it's merely evidence of what I call "Poe's law of Refuted Logic:"

The more nonsense you try to pass off as "Truth," the more people will rise up to show you that it's nonsense.

JohnR7 really rung the bell on this thread, but no more than he usually does.

I was just thinking that about some of the questions I have been asked to answer.
Quote:
The more nonsense you try to pass off as "Truth," the more people will rise up to show you that it's nonsense.

 

How true, how true.

 

[JohnR7]

15th February 2003 at 11:56 PM Nathan Poe said this in Post #10 John, I swear you will make me believe in miracles.

Have you been watching our weekly program on TV? I knew that you would come around sooner or later.

 

[budoka]

Oh yeah, that is, we are not looking at a galaxy that is spinning backwards, it is just upside down.

Upside-down galaxies! THE WORK OF SATAN!!!