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Upon further study for groups. Militant Christians are not quite exactly in the same vein as radical muslims. Their fight is far more for secular reasons with vague out of context scripture for support and just stamp the word christian on their groups name to legitimize themselves more. Perhaps they are not on the same level as in being successful in maintaining their existence.
Extremist Christians? eh.
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You wish to discuss Christian skeletons???---You mean like the thousands upon thousands of "heretics" that the Catholic church burned, tortured, and so on and the thousands upon thousands of "heretics" that the Protestants than tortured and burned?--One good turn deserves another?--The thousands of Jews who were killed by Christians, or allowed to be killed?--the thousands and thousands of slaves tortured, brutalized, raped and so on by so called Christians--who would gladly revert to the "good old days" today--Is that the skeletons you're talking about??
Does that make what Isis is doing now ok??--I rally don't get your point. Is it to point out that as Christians we've often acted like demon-possessed devils ourselves?? Yes, we have, and we are and we will again--That still does not mean that it's OK. Warren Jeffs used God as a cover for child molestation and adultery and many idiots followed him and still follow him.
There have been many David Koresh's and Jim Jones and more will always show up and there will be no end of idiots to follow them. To the fanatic, it is not murder, child molestation, adultery, stealing, or evil in any way when it is done in the name of your god. Most of what passes as religion has nothing to do with religion but is a love of lust and power. Power to control women, to keep them uneducated sex slaves unable to do one single thing about it. Power over life and death. The power to have children as your personal sex toys. Power---it's the same old wish--"I will be like the Most High, I will exalt my throne above the stars..." The power to chop another into pieces for defying your wishes. Not love for God, love for power, with power you can indulge the love of lust. And lust comes in many forms, ending in blood lust without conscience.
And why anyone on our side would call them the "Islamic State" baffles me.
It also suggests that they are an actual state, which by no stardard are they. When they change the name to "God's Holy Empire," or something else like that, I suppose all the US media will fall in line with that, too.I prefer to call them the Islamic State. Especially given the changes from "of Iraq" and "of Syria" and "of the Levant". It helps keep in mind what they seriously want - the worldwide state.
They can be a rather difficult religion to understand. They appear to be just as fractured as much of Christianity is today.I think it is something like at least 12 muslim nations have death or exile as the punishment for leaving Islam
12 COUNTRIES!
we can not pretend like this is some fringe movement
I mean it was a religion started by a warlord who had a child bride
what do you expect?
I have known many lovely Muslim people, I respect them and their devotion to God
but I have no respect for the liar who started their religion
I was reading in the current events forum and a post triggered some questions about Islam. I did not want to hijack the thread, so I'm posting them here.
I know absolutely nothing about Islam or Muslims. I don't even know where they all live (or are they everywhere?). But from the sounds of your post, it seems like Islam is a religion that has different "denominations" or different [maybe political] ideologies kind of like the difference between ultra-conservative Christians versus ultra-liberal Christians. Is that right?
If that's the case, isn't the war a holy war that is intra-Islam that only involves Christians from the point of being in the wrong place (where the radicals live) at the wrong time?
Politicians have to say things like that because we live in a world of political correctness. The difference between ISIS and a hypothetical radical Christian group is that ISIS can actually back up what they do with the Quran and the trusted sources which tell about the life of Muhammad. When Muslims quote peaceful verses in the Quran they need an audience that is completely ignorant of Islam who simply take them at their word. People do not understand the Islamic doctrine of abrogation which cancels out most of the peaceful verses.
I recall Obama's saying in the latest news thing about IS/ISIS/ISIL that they were not really muslims. Everytime something on the news has anything on Obama.. I just have to read the comment sections on the article,if any.
I saw comments along the lines of, "Well it doesn't matter what you say they are. They think they're muslim."
What about our extreme branches of Christianity in the vein of ISIS? Are they Christian? They're doing very unchristian things, just like ISIS is doing very un-islamic things.
Please, I request we do not turn this thread into a "well muslims are doing things aligned with their religion!" I wish to discuss the skeletons in our closet. I am just using Islam as an example for comparison as they are making the headlines right now.
We also can't seem to reign in our fanatics either. What is a christian solution for dealing with our fanatics? Rebuking them? Some sort of excommunication of them wouldn't do anything I would imagine, and they would just do what my argument fallacy is doing : claim that the excommunicators aren't really christian themselves.
What "extreme branches of Christianity in the vein of ISIS" are you referring to?
This Wikipedia article lists terrorist groups with "Christian motivations" around the globe.
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The Ku Klux Klan is the most infamous American extremist group who's members have been complicit in a variety of murders, rapes, lynchings and a variety of other crimes. They have historically been known as a group made up of Protestant Christians, perhaps fundamentalist.
This Wikipedia article lists terrorist groups with "Christian motivations" around the globe.
Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Ku Klux Klan is the most infamous American extremist group who's members have been complicit in a variety of murders, rapes, lynchings and a variety of other crimes. They have historically been known as a group made up of Protestant Christians, perhaps fundamentalist.
Christians don't kill, steal and destroy, that's what the enemy does. Remember that the Lord warned us about sheep in wolves clothing. These people who kill, steal, and destroy are not Christian extremists, they are wolves.
The Mafia is at least as "complicit," and historically has been known as a group made up of Roman Catholic Christians. However, neither of these groups existed primarily in order to advance their idea of God's plan for mankind--and that's why the comparison to Islamic terrorist groups is not apt.
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